Kobe vs Lebron - Who is considered better?

[ImKobe]

You can post averages across eras and pretend like it's better to get swept while padding stats, but the smart ones know that Kobe played a superior brand of basketball, which is why he won more with less help. Keep trying though, maybe you'll win someone over. You've been trying for over a decade.

[1987_Lakers]

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

[HighFlyer23]

LeBron eclipsed Kobe a while ago

[8Ball]

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

Superior brand of basketball my ass.

[ArbitraryWater]

You can post averages across eras and pretend like it's better to get swept while padding stats, but the smart ones know that Kobe played a superior brand of basketball, which is why he won more with less help. Keep trying though, maybe you'll win someone over. You've been trying for over a decade.

Lolol, I still remember when you posted selective clutchtime stats for the playoffs, when I asked you to show them for 06-18 for LeBron compared to 01-12 for Kobe you were a goner

[SouBeachTalents]

I don’t even know if Kobe’s gonna be able to hold off Curry & Giannis at this point.

[ImKobe]

Lolol, I still remember when you posted selective clutchtime stats for the playoffs, when I asked you to show them for 06-18 for LeBron compared to 01-12 for Kobe you were a goner

What? I think I quoted a post that had the Playoff clutch stats for their entire career. It might not have included the '18 run as I think the post I referenced was made prior to that season, but it wouldn't change the data that much based on how many Playoff games Bran already played at that point.

Here's the post I quoted which was made 5 years ago

"Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs,

I will be only talking about Lebron and Kobe, considering these two were heads and shoulders beyond everyone else for their efficiency and volume.

Playoffs:

Lebron

He is 40/106 in clutch situation

His free throw shooting is 49/67

True Shooting is, 49.8%

Assist per 36: 4.2 assists

Turnovers per 36: 4.2 turnovers

Kobe

He is 40/96 in clutch situations.

His free throw shooting is 67/79

His true shooting is 58 %

Assists per 36: 4.3 assists

Turnovers per 36: 1.7 turnovers

Finals: Last 2 minutes, margin of 3.

Lebron

He is 4/23 in clutch situations

His free throw shooting is 10/14

His true shooting is 31%

Assists per 36: 3.7 assists

TO per 36: 3.7 TO

Kobe

He is 10/20 in clutch situations

His free throw shooting is 4/5

His true shooting is 56.4%

Assists per 36: 7.5 assists

TO per 36: 1.5 TO

Finals: Last 5 minutes, margin of 5.

Lebron

17/62 in clutch situations in the finals.

32% EFG

43% TS.

Assists per 36: 4.26

TO per 36: 3.1

Kobe

28/63 in clutch situations in the finals.

46% EFG

53% TS.

Assists per 36: 3.6

TO per 36: 1.08

Tbh, I wasn't surprised about the field goals considering Kobe is the much better shooter in the playoffs, but I was shocked to see Kobe as the better playmaker and distributor in crunch time.

Thoughts?

Edit: all sources are from NBA.com

No need to be butthurt about it tho.

[Cold soul]

I don’t even know if Kobe’s gonna be able to hold off Curry & Giannis at this point.

Easily Curry especially if he never wins FMVP but Giannis is up for debate atm.

[Cold soul]

Kobe missed the playoffs with Prime Dwight, LeBron won a championship with a washed up Dwight

case closed...

2012 Dwight wasn’t prime Dwight especially after back surgery 2011 was Dwight at his peak.

[3ba11]

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG


3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

Based on the scoring and efficiency stats that you posted above, Lebron's Finals from 2007, 2011, 2013 and 2014 are worse than Kobe's 2000-2004..

And we should really only look at the last 3 Finals where Kobe was top dog - the other Finals were deferring and elevating Shaq - Shaq was a guy that got swept repeatedly until Kobe came of age to close games for him.

Of course, Kobe had elite jumpshooting skill, so his scoring was partially-assisted, which elevates teammate role, while Lebron's scoring reduces teammates to spot-up roles - this reduction of teammates and brand requires more help to win much LESS.. Of course Kobe's elite jumpshooting skill also allows him to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), which requires less help than the juggernaut scoring help that Lebron needs

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe missed the playoffs with Prime Dwight, LeBron won a championship with a washed up Dwight

case closed...

Kobe beat Prime Dwight while Lebron lost to Prime Dwight with HCA.

[Taurus]

Easily Curry especially if he never wins FMVP but Giannis is up for debate atm.

Wouldn't be too sure about that. If the Warriors win this year + Curry gets FMVP, then I think there can at least be a debate. Granted I would still probably have Kobe higher.

[John8204]

1 on 1 - Kobe (might be the greatest 1 on 1 player in NBA history)
Legacy, team, accomplishments and versatility - Lebron

[ImKobe]

Wouldn't be too sure about that. If the Warriors win this year + Curry gets FMVP, then I think there can at least be a debate. Granted I would still probably have Kobe higher.

KB is a much better defensive player while Curry has an edge with his 3PT ability, but what we've seen is that the 3PT shot is really volatile and even Steph is prone to bad shooting stretches. No one's hunting prime Kobe on defense like they do with Steph.

[kawhileonard2]

LeBron eclipsed Kobe a while ago

How so?