Wizards jordon was worse than nearly any all-time great who played until his late 30s

[Axe]

If you want to believe a bench player putting up 8/4 on bad efficiency was the reason the Bulls made the playoffs, that's fine you can believe whatever you want. It just shows you're low IQ. No objective person believes that though.

Lmao you're the only one here trying to imply that.

[theman93]

And then i said someone else mentioned it. Lol all of a sudden you're so fixated into it.

Try going btt, you buffoon.

Why are you bringing someone else's opinion in to it? It's irrelevant and a deflection when your debate is with me and not them.

[theman93]

Lmao you're the only one here trying to imply that.

I've never implied that, actually.

[Axe]

Why are you bringing someone else's opinion in to it? It's irrelevant and a deflection when your debate is with me and not them.

Just trying to see if you'd agree with them or not.

[FilmyCogTurner]

This thread is a backfire. It goes to show that even a washed up Jordan with a worse supporting cast is still technically the better basketball player over a 37 year old Lebron on a "title" contending team.

Good job Bronsexuals, you lose again.

[2much_knowledge]

What all-time greats who played at age 37+ is Wizards jordon NOT worse than?

LeBron
Kareem
Karl Malone
Tim Duncan

are/were all clearly better.

After injuries of course. We all knew that silly

[HoopsNY]

can someone please explain this? im actually reading every post and it’s amazing how every lebron stan is avoiding this point

They can't explain it. They know very well that 2022 was embarrassing for LeBron given that his team were the favorites to win the title coming into the season. A team with a LeBron-Westbrook-AD trio and role players like Monk, Melo, and Howard absolutely underachieved.

[1987_Lakers]

The Three-Peat requirement for a dynasty is not my definition, Axe is the one throwing it out there. My definition is at least back-to-back titles.

Yes, Boston never won back-to-back but neither did San Antonio. The Lakers and Pistons are dynasties.

I've never met anyone who thinks those back to back Detroit title teams were better than Bird's Celtics in their prime. But do you.

[RRR3]

PoopsNY still pretending he’s remotely objective is hilarious. He’s just a more intelligent non obsessed 3ball.

[HoopsNY]

I'm struggling to see how Dwight Howard doesn't suck if White sucks lol. Dwight put up 7/8 on a TS% 3.8% above league average the season before he played with LeBron last year. White Put up 5/6 on a TS% 3.2% above league average but his usage percentage was 4.1% lower. His efficiency then went up a lot with LeBron, which I think we can safely credit in some part to LeBron's passing. They are both backup centers who are there to dunk and block shots and aren't good enough to play big minutes. You are also ignoring my point that the Lakers with LeBron and AD were consistently the best team in the league when healthy until this past year. Do you think it was their fault that changed or something else?

If 80s MJ is better than 09 LeBron, his results with a similar supporting cast would have proven it by your logic.

Not sure what gives you this impression. Were you watching the league in 2002? White was an absolute scrub who had no potential.

White w/MJ '02: 5.5 PPG | 6.4 Rebs | 55% FG%
White w/o MJ '02: 4.9 PPG 5.5 Reb | 49% FG%

What about Howard?

Howard w/LeBron '22: 5.3 PPG | 5.7 Rebs | 59% FG%
Howard w/o LeBron '22: 7.6 PPG | 6.3 Rebs | 64% FG%

Just because the overall stats were similar doesn't mean the two players were similar in caliber or what they brought to the table.

You're not wrong that the Lakers were the best team with AD and LeBron when healthy in 2020 for example. Dynamics changed though and context matters, which you've proven in this instance. I'm just unsure why that matters more than say MJ joining an entirely new team, with a worst cast, and also being three years removed from the league.

Those factors tilt the scales a bit when adjusting for conference. Tbh, I can't lie, I don't know what the hell happened with LAL last year and it's pretty mind boggling. But it's a negative in LeBron's scale simply because that team, on paper, and prior to the season starting was expected to win it all.

You have people on this thread acting like LeBron was significantly better. I don't see how that's justifiable given the results and higher quality of casts. Washington's cast was horrible. The Laker's cast was decent. There's no way around that.

[HoopsNY]

PoopsNY still pretending he’s remotely objective is hilarious. He’s just a more intelligent non obsessed 3ball.

Sorry that you can't handle disagreement or logic. You're the one out here trying to tilt the argument in favor of LeBron by somehow saying the two casts were equal. This is hilarious. And I'm the one who isn't being objective? Get a brain you moron.

[HoopsNY]

We don't play what ifs. Fact is the Wizards didn't make the playoffs and MJ's Wizards years are largely looked as a stain on his legacy.

Deal with it.

You same guys also ignoring '09 & '10 LeBron won more games than '88 & '89 MJ despite having similar casts, why is that? Why couldn't MJ elevate his teammates back then like LeBron did?

Similar casts? lol, whut? Keep in mind, you're using '88 as if having rookie Pippen and rookie Grant somehow makes for great cast. That's pretty outlandish and you know it.

[theman93]

I've never met anyone who thinks those back to back Detroit title teams were better than Bird's Celtics in their prime. But do you.

Yeah bro not even close........even though the Pistons beat the #1 seed Celtics in '88 with the Celtics having homecourt advantage and McHale putting up 27/7 and Bird putting up 20/12/6/3/2. And that was before they were even a title team. They were 3 points away from 3-peating.

[RRR3]

Similar casts? lol, whut? Keep in mind, you're using '88 as if having rookie Pippen and rookie Grant somehow makes for great cast. That's pretty outlandish and you know it.

Who the **** did LeBron have in 09 lmao? Role players.

[RRR3]

Not sure what gives you this impression. Were you watching the league in 2002? White was an absolute scrub who had no potential.

White w/MJ '02: 5.5 PPG | 6.4 Rebs | 55% FG%
White w/o MJ '02: 4.9 PPG 5.5 Reb | 49% FG%

What about Howard?

Howard w/LeBron '22: 5.3 PPG | 5.7 Rebs | 59% FG%
Howard w/o LeBron '22: 7.6 PPG | 6.3 Rebs | 64% FG%

Just because the overall stats were similar doesn't mean the two players were similar in caliber or what they brought to the table.

You're not wrong that the Lakers were the best team with AD and LeBron when healthy in 2020 for example. Dynamics changed though and context matters, which you've proven in this instance. I'm just unsure why that matters more than say MJ joining an entirely new team, with a worst cast, and also being three years removed from the league.

Those factors tilt the scales a bit when adjusting for conference. Tbh, I can't lie, I don't know what the hell happened with LAL last year and it's pretty mind boggling. But it's a negative in LeBron's scale simply because that team, on paper, and prior to the season starting was expected to win it all.

You have people on this thread acting like LeBron was significantly better. I don't see how that's justifiable given the results and higher quality of casts. Washington's cast was horrible. The Laker's cast was decent. There's no way around that.

No one has ever been held to these standards at LeBron’s age. People were happy when Kobe hit a shot when he was 37. I’m sorry LeBron isn’t immortal and can’t impact a team the same way forever like you think he should be able to