We can't compare old Lebron to old MJ

[AlternativeAcc.]

But there is a tipping point eventually where it's easier to be above league average in efficiency. I know that sounds strange, but MJ would get so many more attempts to drive to the basket for easy layups. Do you really think he would have Westbrook like efficiency in this current league?

Also to be fair, technically MJ was 38-39 in his first Wizards season. Lebron this year was 37-38...so we still have another year to see what Lebron will be like.

He wouldn't have any attempts to drive to the basket for easy layups because he wouldn't have the ball in his hands. And didn't have the explosiveness at that age to even do what you're talking about.

He was literally chucking 15 midrange shots a game. On bad efficiency.

He wouldn't be able to play in today's "marathon style" game where movement is paramount. His style isn't built for it (it's the worst style possible) and his body wouldn't be able to handle it.

You are just wrong.

[RRR3]

But there is a tipping point eventually where it's easier to be above league average in efficiency. I know that sounds strange, but MJ would get so many more attempts to drive to the basket for easy layups. Do you really think he would have Westbrook like efficiency in this current league?

Also to be fair, technically MJ was 38-39 in his first Wizards season. Lebron this year was 37-38...so we still have another year to see what Lebron will be like.

It's not like Lebron is super efficient this year...he's ranked 170 in TS%. Ranking 170 in TS% in 2003 was only 50.8 TS%.

Lebron would have to rely a lot more on his jumper in the early 2000's and his main attack (rim attack) would definitely be cut down in opportunities. He also wouldn't be allowed to jack up 8 threes a game, so again more post and mid range play from him.

Holy shit.

League average means the average of the league, how would it ever get “easier” to be above average you idiot?

[ArbitraryWater]

But there is a tipping point eventually where it's easier to be above league average in efficiency. I know that sounds strange, but MJ would get so many more attempts to drive to the basket for easy layups. Do you really think he would have Westbrook like efficiency in this current league?

yea this thing, phenomenon, whatever, does not exist. literally does not exist.

[StrongLurk]

Holy shit.

League average means the average of the league, how would it ever get “easier” to be above average you idiot?

Because it depends on your skillset/abilities. Some players are more effected by era than others, hence some players would have an easier time getting above average efficiency depending on the rules/brand of ball being played. If the era allows someone to play more to their strengths then they COULD have an easier time getting high TS% relative to league average.

Someone who is 150 in TS% or EFG% NOW wouldn't automatically rank 150 in other eras. Get what I mean?

Do you think Steph Curry would be king of TS% in 2002 when coaches would cut his three point attempts in half or more? What about in 1975 with no three point line?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Also to be fair, technically MJ was 38-39 in his first Wizards season. Lebron this year was 37-38...so we still have another year to see what Lebron will be like

You keep saying this, but Lebron is 38 just like MJ was. And like it has been pointed out, Lebron's also got more minutes played. A lot more.

Nobody is denying that its easier to score now. Frankly, though, the difference likely isn't as much as you think. That version of MJ wasn't in the shape Lebron is now. Nor did he have the same strength, speed or finishing ability. The era disparity doesnt just leapfrog 38 year old MJ over Lebron.

I say that as someone who has peak and prime MJ as the best ever.

[RRR3]

Because it depends on your skillset/abilities. Some players are more effected by era than others, hence some players would have an easier time getting above average efficiency depending on the rules/brand of ball being played. If the era allows someone to play more to their strengths then they COULD have an easier time getting high TS% relative to league average.

Someone who is 150 in TS% or EFG% NOW wouldn't automatically rank 150 in other eras. Get what I mean?

Do you think Steph Curry would be king of TS% in 2002 when coaches would cut his three point attempts in half or more? What about in 1975 with no three point line?

Yes Curry would be a TS% god in 2002, Reggie Miller and Ray Allen were so why wouldn’t he

It’s useless to compare the game before the 3pt line existed as it was very different

[8Ball]

Old LeBron = 2nd team all NBA.

Old Jordan = garbage.


Yes we can compare the 2.

[Axe]

What about old kobe?