So where is Draymond headed to? declined option

[j3lademaster]

Draymond's offense is literally set a screen and get an assist off a handoff 3, or lob it to the dunker's spot off of pick and rolls. PnR's that only work with any kind of consistency because 3 defenders will collapse on Steph every time he takes a pick. We all saw who he was in 2020 when Steph and Klay went down. He passed and still got decent assist numbers not because he's Steve Nash, but more because he doesn't have anything else to his offensive game. Now, I think Dray's a decent passer, but I also think a lot of guys can get 6 assists if they were given the touches and only passed.

Dray on any other team will suffer from the same thing that makes Ben Simmons unplayable: Can't space the floor if you play him on the perimeter and you get killed on the boards if you have him as your center. The Warriors are the only team that can solve that problem, because Steph with any 2 decent shooters can create enough spacing that other lineups require 4 or 5 shooters for, so the Warriors have the luxury of putting a true rebounding center who can also fill the dunker's spot for Draymond's lobs. You can definitely recreate this on another team if you can put together 3 truely elite shooters. Maybe. But then you're building a lineup around Draymond Green and not the other way around. I wouldn't go through that trouble.

There isn't one player in NBA history who gets this kind of attention off picks than Steph:

[tpols]

Draymond's offense is literally set a screen and get an assist off a handoff 3, or lob it to the dunker's spot off of pick and rolls. PnR's that only work with any kind of consistency because 3 defenders will collapse on Steph every time he takes a pick. We all saw who he was in 2020 when Steph and Klay went down. He passed and still got decent assist numbers not because he's Steve Nash, but more because he doesn't have anything else to his offensive game.

Dray on any other team will suffer from the same thing that makes Ben Simmons unplayable: Can't space the floor if you play him on the perimeter and you get killed on the boards if you have him as your center. The Warriors are the only team that can solve that problem, because Steph with any 2 decent shooters can create enough spacing that other lineups require 4 or 5 shooters for, so the Warriors have the luxury of putting a true rebounding center who can also fill the dunker's spot for Draymond's lobs. You can definitely recreate this on another team if you can put together 3 truely elite shooters. Maybe. But then you're building a lineup around Draymond Green and not the other way around. I wouldn't go through that trouble.

There isn't one player in NBA history who gets this kind of attention off picks than Steph:

Yup.

That's a good comparison too. A shorter, darker over emotional Ben Simmons. But Ben had way more talent... he had lotto talent ... he unfortunately shied away from ball due to the Hollywood party atmosphere that sucked him in.

Either way the guy will be a Westbrook style liability anywhere he goes and is extremely fortunate to be the hand off man to GOAT off ball shooters.

It's like giving credit to a QB for handing the ball off to Barry sanders.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's not going to create anything but there is value in a guy that constantly makes smart plays. You just don't want to hand a roleplayer like that a huge contract and act like he's a star. Comparing him to Simmons is wrong if Green had Simmons physical talent he would be 10+ time AllNBA. Green is a below average shooter but he will take shots and he wants to play.

[highwhey]

china league ...

we need to trade you to the china league equivalent of ISH old man

[j3lademaster]

Yup.

That's a good comparison too. A shorter, darker over emotional Ben Simmons. But Ben had way more talent... he had lotto talent ... he unfortunately shied away from ball due to the Hollywood party atmosphere that sucked him in.

Either way the guy will be a Westbrook style liability anywhere he goes and is extremely fortunate to be the hand off man to GOAT off ball shooters.

It's like giving credit to a QB for handing the ball off to Barry sanders.

the Warriors can solve a lot of problem players like that. If Westbrook commits himself to being a high effort defender like he’s shown he can be this playoffs, isn’t he much better than GP2? Especially on a min contract. And yeah, I wasn’t trying to make a direct comparison of Ben and Draymond, just pointing out they share the same exact weaknesses and strengths in the court. Neither can finish: Ben because he’s spooked and Dray because he has absolutely zero touch and/ or athletic ability. I realize Dray is a slightly better shooter. Doesn’t matter, you’re defended just the same. And yeah if Draymond had 1/2 of Ben’s talent and finishing ability, he’d avg an efficient 20 ppg right now.

[KNOW1EDGE]

We should not have to debate whether or not a 26 year old Draymond Green was a useless player.

Like anyone else, he benefits from Steph/Klay...etc.

But there isn't a team in the league that wouldn't have gotten noticeably better adding an in prime Draymond Green.

Well said. I never really liked Draymond as a player coming out of college but as his career went on he showed that he was an extremely valuable piece of a championship team. In his prime, every team in the league would have loved a guy like that on their roster. He’s the perfect role player.

[BarberSchool]

Pistons lol

[bdonovan]

The warriors won a championship with him shooting 33% from the floor and 12% from 3 averaging 6/8/6.... his defense was still considered elite at that time. Shit... it's still ranked elite today. But if you're that atrocious on offense it's not gonna make up for it. It's not even just his individual production but his horrible spacing that's a killer too. Teams literally don't guard him and he still shoots like that.

Except the Warriors don't need more individual offense. They have four stellar options in Curry, Thompson, Wiggins (who averaged 18 in the finals), and Jordan Poole. There is more to the game.

The Celtics averaged 112 pts/game during the season were held at under 100 points in 4 of those games in the finals- each one the Warriors won. How do you think they did that?