TRADE: Jrue Holiday to the Celtics for Timelord, Brogdan and 2 firsts.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Porz is always hurt. So is his backup Horford last few years. Lopez rarely gets hurt. Availability is half the game.

Middleton was coming off an injury last year. Both are also very inefficient. Brown averages few more points per game because he shoots few more shots per game. Both are about equal to me even if Brown is a bit better athlete.

Horford isn't always hurt, he's rested often because he's old. And Lopez is almost as old as he is. Porzingis does miss more games than Lopez but averaging 7 more points has to count for something.

Don't see how you can hold games played against Porzingis and Horford but then ignore that Middleton played in just 33 contests. And saying that Brown is inefficient makes no sense when he's shooting 49% from the field. You can give that label to Middleton but only real flaw with Brown is his dribbling. 26.6 vs. 15.1 is not "a few more points," come on. Yout match up analysis had some severe flaws. And that's not how basketball is played to begin with, they're still be a lot more to a series than a list of guy vs. guy....a list that actually favors the Celtics anyway.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Incredible get for Boston but giving up Williams is surprising to say the least and very much damaging. Brogdon is nothing and anyone who compares him to Holiday is a fool.

Brogdon was sixth man of the year and made allstar. He can score at a high level and would possibly be having a great career if he could stay healthy. Holiday is better because of durability and what he does on defense but you calling Brogdon nothing is off.

[Proctor]

Brogdon was sixth man of the year and made allstar. He can score at a high level and would possibly be having a great career if he could stay healthy. Holiday is better because of durability and what he does on defense but you calling Brogdon nothing is off.

I meant 'nothing' as in his overall value to the Celtics and was saying giving him up in a trade is nothing. He's a solid player, but injury prone and may not have even wanted to play in Boston anyway. He is bench depth while Holiday is a championship level plug-in to just about anywhere.

[NBAGOAT]

I meant 'nothing' as in his overall value to the Celtics and was saying giving him up in a trade is nothing. He's a solid player, but injury prone and may not have even wanted to play in Boston anyway. He is bench depth while Holiday is a championship level plug-in to just about anywhere.

Actually agreed Celtics did not get noticeably better adding brogdon for nothing and impact metrics have his as a net neutral. Those bench scorers usually put up good numbers but don’t help you win that many more games. Timelord was impactful but he’s injury prone as hell and didn’t really fit mazzulas 5 out scheme. Stevens will find a decent big before trade deadline

[Axe]

Actually agreed Celtics did not get noticeably better adding brogdon for nothing and impact metrics have his as a net neutral. Those bench scorers usually put up good numbers but don’t help you win that many more games. Timelord was impactful but he’s injury prone as hell and didn’t really fit mazzulas 5 out scheme. Stevens will find a decent big before trade deadline

Maybe ibaka could help? Although he's playing in a different league rn.

[bladefd]

Horford isn't always hurt, he's rested often because he's old. And Lopez is almost as old as he is. Porzingis does miss more games than Lopez but averaging 7 more points has to count for something.

Don't see how you can hold games played against Porzingis and Horford but then ignore that Middleton played in just 33 contests. And saying that Brown is inefficient makes no sense when he's shooting 49% from the field. You can give that label to Middleton but only real flaw with Brown is his dribbling. 26.6 vs. 15.1 is not "a few more points," come on. Yout match up analysis had some severe flaws. And that's not how basketball is played to begin with, they're still be a lot more to a series than a list of guy vs. guy....a list that actually favors the Celtics anyway.

Horford doesn't give you very much even in less minutes than in past. I think Porz shoots more, but Lopez they don't usually draw up plays for him. You better pray neither get hurt because there is not much depth on your bench.

Middleton was coming off a major injury, but is in latter half prime of his career. He doesn't have a history of injuries. Porzingis does and Horford is falling apart fast physically. It makes recovery difficult.

Both are chuckers afaik. Ofc, I would probably have Jaylen creating than Middleton, but addition of Lillard opens up the court for middleton. They also have Beasley, who always needs someone on him. Brown has to expend energy doing a lot more on offense (he often forces things), while Middleton will be mostly catch and shoot.

You are comparing their scoring the one season that Middleton was coming off a major injury/surgery. Brown was not.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Horford doesn't give you very much even in less minutes than in past. I think Porz shoots more, but Lopez they don't usually draw up plays for him. You better pray neither get hurt because there is not much depth on your bench.

Middleton was coming off a major injury, but is in latter half prime of his career. He doesn't have a history of injuries. Porzingis does and Horford is falling apart fast physically. It makes recovery difficult.

Both are chuckers afaik. Ofc, I would probably have Jaylen creating than Middleton, but addition of Lillard opens up the court for middleton. They also have Beasley, who always needs someone on him. Brown has to expend energy doing a lot more on offense (he often forces things), while Middleton will be mostly catch and shoot.

You are comparing their scoring the one season that Middleton was coming off a major injury/surgery. Brown was not.

Middleton's career high for ppg is 21. So even that number doesn't stack up. And he's had 29 and 27 game seasons. The 27 game season may have been him just not getting to play as a rookie but the 29 game season was close to his prime years when he was a contributor. How he is not an injury risk while purred Porzingis is just makes no sense. The double standard is apparent and unjustified. And Brown is clearly ahead of Middleton right now.

Horford is not going to play as much as he used to due to age but how is he falling apart 1? What was his last major injury to justify that statement?

[GOATbe]

Highway robbery by Portland. Looks like Celdicks will need to wait a few more decades to win another title.

[GimmeThat]

this move counters the Heat really well for the Celtics. and Blazers are looking a lot like the Wolves.

[Xiao Yao You]

Horford doesn't give you very much even in less minutes than in past. I think Porz shoots more, but Lopez they don't usually draw up plays for him. You better pray neither get hurt because there is not much depth on your bench.

Middleton was coming off a major injury, but is in latter half prime of his career. He doesn't have a history of injuries. Porzingis does and Horford is falling apart fast physically. It makes recovery difficult.

Both are chuckers afaik. Ofc, I would probably have Jaylen creating than Middleton, but addition of Lillard opens up the court for middleton. They also have Beasley, who always needs someone on him. Brown has to expend energy doing a lot more on offense (he often forces things), while Middleton will be mostly catch and shoot.

You are comparing their scoring the one season that Middleton was coming off a major injury/surgery. Brown was not.

Beasley is very streaky. Doesn't always need someone on him

[Dbrog]

Feels weird that the Blazers now look like they have the best team they have had since Lillard/Aldridge...kinda the one that Lillard was always asking for. Certain poetic justice to it all. Bright future for them for sure

[dankok8]

Jrue is better than Brogdon but losing Williams hurts for Boston. This trade is a lateral move at best and a damaging move at worst.

[FultzNationRISE]

They oughtta try and bring back Daniel Theis honestly, a couple years ago when Williams missed a chunk of time in the playoffs Theis filled the spot admirably and they didnt miss a beat.

[FultzNationRISE]

Jrue is better than Brogdon but losing Williams hurts for Boston. This trade is a lateral move at best and a damaging move at worst.

The Celtics were lacking some dawg outside of Smart to begin with, then they moved Smart for a long term frontcourt upgrade, which is fair but Zingis also isnt a dawg. They needed a dawg. The move might seem lateral on paper but it’s an upgrade in intangibles. They really oughtta get Theis back on their bench, hes another dawg.

I also think they risk doing this all for naught if they leave Mazzulla in charge and he doesnt show some progress from last year.

[tontoz]

This deal appears so lopsided in Portland's favor that i feel like ...... what am i missing? Is there some other part of the trade we aren't aware of?