Fetterman praises DeSantis for banning-lab grown meat, "would never serve that slob"

[rmt]

Titanic? I am saying we have departed from "nature". We are no longer part of the food chain, we have created our own food chain.

The arrogance lies with people like you who tell others they must live "natural" on their brand new I Phone that defies anything nature could produce for us. If you want to preach living natural then live out your life naked in the wilderness.

Please point out exactly where in this thread I tell others they MUST live "natural." Maybe you missed:

It should be a choice - if you wanna eat that stuff, go ahead.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Please point out exactly where in this thread I tell others they MUST live "natural." Maybe you missed:

Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

[rmt]

Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

Yes, and Democratic Senator Fetterman agrees with him:

For instance, on May 2, Democratic Pennsylvania Sen. John Fetterman came out in support of DeSantis’ ban. “Pains me deeply to agree with Crash-and-Burn Ron, but I co-sign this,” Fetterman said on social media.

He continued: “As a member of @SenateAgDems and as some dude who would never serve that slop to my kids, I stand with our American ranchers and farmers.”

Fetterman’s statement actually encapsulates two of the most common motivations politicians cite when it comes to entertaining the idea of banning lab-grown meat: the idea that its introduction to the mass-market would damage farmers’ livelihoods, and the perception that lab-grown meat is hyper-processed “slop” that shouldn’t be offered to their constituents.

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/06/the...partisan-hate/

I hate when one puts words in my mouth or thinks a policy is only one-sided.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Fetterman is wrong of course but he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it. The other states considering this ban are Alabama, Arizona and Tennessee. Two red states and one"purple" state that would be slightly red if Kari Lake wasn't so awful. I don't think this issue had made it to either party's platform yet but it's shaping up as something republicans are fighting.

[GimmeThat]

Almost nothing we do is natural. We aren't cavemen anymore. We left our natural setting centuries ago. We have conquered nature and we will continue to conquer nature even further.

if you're so blind, how do you choose to breathe?

[SATAN]

It appears OP has been slaughtered itt.

[rmt]

Fetterman is wrong of course but he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it. The other states considering this ban are Alabama, Arizona and Tennessee. Two red states and one"purple" state that would be slightly red if Kari Lake wasn't so awful. I don't think this issue had made it to either party's platform yet but it's shaping up as something republicans are fighting.

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.

[GimmeThat]

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.

if the source of your power continuously ban all other substitutes, where's the source of a power to create a law?

to be more specific, a lab-grown meat user is willing to support your cause in banning it due to environmental cause, however, they are asking for real farmed meat in order to support the effort of creating a law. So sure, you'd say you go for it, as long as the user turns in enough lab-grown meat eater to make the environment better.

you're still left with the task of cleaning up the environment of your informer for their previous environmental harm, because had the user been able to use real farmed meat from the get go, he wouldn't take the risk of getting caught for turning his people in, he'd just leave the game.

so again, you arrive at the conclusion that you stick to your guns and the source of your power, and tell them their best bet is to gather together for a game of russian roulette, because no one volunteers to clean up after others body and sh*t when they simply just won't listen.


it's madness to assume anyone would give up first movers advantage in game theory.

[GimmeThat]

Yes, it should be a choice. No one is being force fed. DeSantis is the one making laws telling people what they can't eat.

you are correct in that consent trumps fairness, but then you are left with the matter that, it is in fact grounds for termination.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Why do you say he doesn't have the power to create a law banning it? He's a Senator - he can help pass a FEDERAL law banning it. We have no idea what the other people in Congress think about this.

A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

[rmt]

if the source of your power continuously ban all other substitutes, where's the source of a power to create a law?

to be more specific, a lab-grown meat user is willing to support your cause in banning it due to environmental cause, however, they are asking for real farmed meat in order to support the effort of creating a law. So sure, you'd say you go for it, as long as the user turns in enough lab-grown meat eater to make the environment better.

you're still left with the task of cleaning up the environment of your informer for their previous environmental harm, because had the user been able to use real farmed meat from the get go, he wouldn't take the risk of getting caught for turning his people in, he'd just leave the game.

so again, you arrive at the conclusion that you stick to your guns and the source of your power, and tell them their best bet is to gather together for a game of russian roulette, because no one volunteers to clean up after others body and sh*t when they simply just won't listen.


it's madness to assume anyone would give up first movers advantage in game theory.

I have no idea what first mover's advantage in game theory is (and I don't care to look it up).

Look at the Tic Tok ban - to divest or ban. There are MILLIONS of Tik Tok users - that didn't stop Congress/President from passing this bill. You are assuming that that many people are interested in the (long term) environment compared to the meat and dairy they eat EVERY DAY.

[rmt]

A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

Just like a singe Governor cannot pass a law.

We shall see.

[GimmeThat]

You are assuming that that many people are interested in the (long term) environment compared to the meat and dairy they eat EVERY DAY.

not even close, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that I get hacked into telling people how to live longer that I've often threaten people here that they should get shot by a gun.

and I'm telling you, my dreams are just sweet.

[rmt]

not even close, I'm pretty bothered by the fact that I get hacked into telling people how to live longer that I've often threaten people here that they should get shot by a gun.

and I'm telling you, my dreams are just sweet.

Sorry, maybe I'm just dense, but I'm not really understanding (the point of) your posts. Maybe you could please speak in layman's terms :-)

[rmt]

A single Senator cannot pass a law. All he has been able to do so far is issue a statement in support. So far there is no movement to make this national law among senate Democrats. And there likely will not be because it doesn't jibe with their platform. Doesn't really fit into traditional conservative policy either but we still see a few Republican legislatures taking up this cause so it is what it is.

So you can't envision a scenario where Repubs senators and these SenateAgDems (including Fetterman) reach 60 votes and this gets signed into law? After this Tik Tok bill, I think anything is possible.