Lebron has 4 gold medals and 6 silver medals.

[Full Court]

This is the data you moron...

Playoff games below 15 game score for Lebron and Larry.

Lebron: 37 games out of 287 games

Larry: 40 games out of 164 games

Larry has MORE bad games despite playing 123 less playoff games.

Can you read? Seriously, you are acting like a 12 year old.

If you WANT to read them one by one for some reason, here is a link. Just sort by game score little guy... https://www.basketball-reference.com...elog-playoffs/

Nice faulty link, genius.

That aside, I'm just astounded that you would use a single stat, GAME SCORE nonetheless, with no interpretive context, to try to make your case. It makes me wonder if you're actually a Lebron hater who's trying to make Bronie fluffers look bad, or if you're actually that dumb.

So that's what you came up with after all that time? "Bu-bu-bu-but Larry had more games with a game score less than 15!!!! So Lebron CAN'T be a choker!!!!"



You can't make this stuff up.

[StrongLurk]

Nice faulty link, genius.

That aside, I'm just astounded that you would use a single stat, GAME SCORE nonetheless, with no interpretive context, to try to make your case. It makes me wonder if you're actually a Lebron hater who's trying to make Bronie fluffers look bad, or if you're actually that dumb.

So that's what you came up with after all that time? "Bu-bu-bu-but Larry had more games with a game score less than 15!!!! So Lebron CAN'T be a choker!!!!"



You can't make this stuff up.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...elog-playoffs/

I defeated your argument so easily. Sort by gamescore and go through the list yourself and see all the chokes/bad games for Bird. You thought Bird was a better playoff performer, but he has twice the rate of chokes as Lebron

I mean you literally have nothing buddy. You tried to act like Lebron is a playoff choker when he is literally the second best playoff performer of all time behind MJ.

Feel free to enlighten me though. What "criteria" do you want to use to determine chokes? Happy to compare Lebron to anybody using that "criteria" since we know I easily debunked your initial criteria for "chokes".

[Full Court]

https://www.basketball-reference.com...elog-playoffs/

I defeated your argument so easily. Sort by gamescore and go through the list yourself and see all the chokes/bad games for Bird. You thought Bird was a better playoff performer, but he has twice the rate of chokes as Lebron

I mean you literally have nothing buddy. You tried to act like Lebron is a playoff choker when he is literally the second best playoff performer of all time behind MJ.

Feel free to enlighten me though. What "criteria" do you want to use to determine chokes? Happy to compare Lebron to anybody using that "criteria" since we know I easily debunked your initial criteria for "chokes".

Anyone who bases an argument on a single stat with no context has no clue what they're talking about. When you only look at game score, you're counting games where Bird played less than 20 minutes. I'm sure you didn't realize that, because you don't know how to actually use advanced stats.



You get a C- for effort....






but you still lose.

[StrongLurk]

Anyone who bases an argument on a single stat with no context has no clue what they're talking about. When you only look at game score, you're counting games where Bird played less than 20 minutes. I'm sure you didn't realize that, because you don't know how to actually use advanced stats.



You get a C- for effort....






but you still lose.

Gamescore is literally a boxscore summary stat. If a player has a bad game, they are going to have a bad gamescore. Is that too complicated for you? How about you go look up the gamescores of all those Lebron games you posted. There is a high chance they are less than 15 you moron.

Oh by the way, only 2 of the 40 games where Larry posted sub-15 gamescore were 20 minutes or less. The rest of them were between 30-46 minutes per game.

God, it's just too easy to disprove everything you say or every shitty troll post you make.

[Full Court]

Gamescore is literally a boxscore summary stat. If a player has a bad game, they are going to have a bad gamescore. Is that too complicated for you? How about you go look up the gamescores of all those Lebron games you posted. There is a high chance they are less than 15 you moron.

Oh by the way, only 2 of the 40 games where Larry posted sub-15 gamescore were 20 minutes or less. The rest of them were between 30-46 minutes per game.

God, it's just too easy to disprove everything you say or every shitty troll post you make.

"We can tell what a choke is.....by the GAME SCORE!!!!"



And this, folks, is why we make fun of Bronie fluffers. They're just not intelligent people.

[StrongLurk]

"We can tell what a choke is.....by the GAME SCORE!!!!"



And this, folks, is why we make fun of Bronie fluffers. They're just not intelligent people.

Newsflash, you were the one claiming Lebron had a bunch of chokes and then 37 out of the 42 "games" you listed were literally just random boxscore numbers, often not even the whole boxscore. Only 5 of them did you try to add any context, and even with those you are cherry picking

I'm literally using YOUR logic for what a "choke" is, which I then easily disproved all of your statements using the logic YOU gave.

I know you are just trolling but you are legit bad at that too.

By the way, I am still waiting on your "criteria" for what a choke is. You still haven't given me anything except for mostly just random box score stats from Lebron games. I will keep waiting on it.

[Full Court]

Newsflash, you were the one claiming Lebron had a bunch of chokes and then 37 out of the 42 "games" you listed were literally just random boxscore numbers, often not even the whole boxscore. Only 5 of them did you try to add any context, and even with those you are cherry picking

I'm literally using YOUR logic for what a "choke" is, which I then easily disproved all of your statements using the logic YOU gave.

I know you are just trolling but you are legit bad at that too.

By the way, I am still waiting on your "criteria" for what a choke is. You still haven't given me anything except for mostly just random box score stats from Lebron games. I will keep waiting on it.

Lebron has, in fact, the most choke jobs in the history of the sport. And I proved it. All you can come back with is a single advanced stat.

Here's an illustration how dumb it is using a single, context-less stat: Russell Westbrook has more triple doubles than Lebron James. Therefore Westbrook is the better player and should be ranked higher.

See how that works?

[StrongLurk]

Lebron has, in fact, the most choke jobs in the history of the sport. And I proved it. All you can come back with is a single advanced stat.

Here's an illustration how dumb it is using a single, context-less stat: Russell Westbrook has more triple doubles than Lebron James. Therefore Westbrook is the better player and should be ranked higher.

See how that works?

Still waiting on your "criteria" for a playoff choke. What are these specific "chokes" Lebron has? We need a definition from you.

It's ironic that you made a big fuss about me providing one (less than 15 gamescore), yet you have yet to provide one. Remember, your long list of games for Lebron is mostly just random box score numbers with no additional context or info (37 out of 42 games were random stats).
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I know you are dumb, but humor me here. I am enjoying this.

[8Ball]

Thread Cliffs:

LeBron at 39 years old vastly outperforms Jordan did in the olympics when Jordan was in his prime.

1992 international competition was literal dog shit, Jordan stacked his team up to the fullest and Jordan still played like crap.

LeBron gets the Olympics MVP at age 39 while Jordan at 39 was struggling to get a starting job on the crappy wizards team.




More evidence was presented this summer and the verdict is LeBron >>>>> Jordan.

[SouBeachTalents]

Why is it so hard for people to use context with legitimately anything

Criticizing LeBron's Finals record when he was both balling out and being the underdog in most of them, including to a ridiculous degree in 3-4 of them, was always moronic. As is bringing up 10 Finals appearances without mentioning how weak the conference was for a lot of the years he made it out East.

I also completely disagree with OP's criteria, there are way too many examples of inferior players, even role players, winning FMVP over top 10 caliber players. How you play in the Finals is obviously important, but summing up a 100 game season entirely on the basis of a 4-7 game sample size is ridiculous. Kareem/Bird/Magic/Duncan/Curry all had championship years where they were the clear cut best player on their squads, them losing out on FMVP either due to a fluke sample size or flat out bad judgement by the media is a terrible way to evaluate players.

People continue to put WAY too much stock on team accomplishments to evaluate individual players, when it's how you perform in the playoffs that should always be the most important criteria. I've said it before, but LeBron not winning in '09, '17, or '18 doesn't invalidate how well he played, nor does it mean Duncan in '07 or Curry in '15 played better than he did because their teams won the title.

[Full Court]

Still waiting on your "criteria" for a playoff choke. What are these specific "chokes" Lebron has? We need a definition from you.

It's ironic that you made a big fuss about me providing one (less than 15 gamescore), yet you have yet to provide one. Remember, your long list of games for Lebron is mostly just random box score numbers with no additional context or info (37 out of 42 games were random stats).
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I know you are dumb, but humor me here. I am enjoying this.

Lol. I took the time to put an explanation for each game. Go back and read my post. Or would you like me to post it again because it's too hard to find?

And I'm STILL waiting for you to show me just one person who claimed not making the finals is better than making the finals. You claimed there were "millions" of people who said it.

This thread isn't looking great for you.

[StrongLurk]

Lol. I took the time to put an explanation for each game. Go back and read my post. Or would you like me to post it again because it's too hard to find?

And I'm STILL waiting for you to show me just one person who claimed not making the finals is better than making the finals. You claimed there were "millions" of people who said it.

This thread isn't looking great for you.

Where is your explanation for each game? I see 5 "attempts" at context our of 42 attempts. Looks like your the one choking here

2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.

Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.

Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.

2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.

2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.

2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.

Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.

Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.

Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.

Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.

2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.

2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.

2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.

Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.

2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.

Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.

2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.

Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.

Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.

Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.

2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.

Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.

2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.

Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.

Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

2024 game 1 against Denver. 0 points in the fourth quarter of a close game. Actually, he had two points, but that was from an uncontested layup in the final minute of the game after Denver had already closed the game out. LOSS

Game 2 against Denver. The game is tied and the Lakers have the final possession. Instead of running the clock down, Lebron clanks a low-IQ three point shot, leaving Denver with plenty of time for a final possession. Murray, who is way more clutch than Lebron, makes the buzzer beater. LOSS.

[StrongLurk]

Why is it so hard for people to use context with legitimately anything

Criticizing LeBron's Finals record when he was both balling out and being the underdog in most of them, including to a ridiculous degree in 3-4 of them, was always moronic. As is bringing up 10 Finals appearances without mentioning how weak the conference was for a lot of the years he made it out East.

I also completely disagree with OP's criteria, there are way too many examples of inferior players, even role players, winning FMVP over top 10 caliber players. How you play in the Finals is obviously important, but summing up a 100 game season entirely on the basis of a 4-7 game sample size is ridiculous. Kareem/Bird/Magic/Duncan/Curry all had championship years where they were the clear cut best player on their squads, them losing out on FMVP either due to a fluke sample size or flat out bad judgement by the media is a terrible way to evaluate players.

People continue to put WAY too much stock on team accomplishments to evaluate individual players, when it's how you perform in the playoffs that should always be the most important criteria. I've said it before, but LeBron not winning in '09, '17, or '18 doesn't invalidate how well he played, nor does it mean Duncan in '07 or Curry in '15 played better than he did because their teams won the title.

The whole point is just to show that claiming finals losses are "bad" is a ridiculous claim. Even if you are trying to compare to Jordan, it's still a bad argument because Jordan had plenty of years where he never even made the finals.

You agree with my core claim, even if my gold medal qualification (FMVP) might have a few detractors.

[Axe]

What if jordan is the one who had a losing record in the finals? It's likely that he would be treated much the very same way.

[Full Court]

Where is your explanation for each game? I see 5 "attempts" at context our of 42 attempts. Looks like your the one choking here

2007 game 1 against Detroit. 10 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 2 against Detroit. 19 points on 37% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against the Spurs. 14 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

2008 game 1 against Boston. 12 points and 10 turnovers on 11% shooting. 0/6 from three. LOSS.

Game 2 against Boston. 21 points on 25% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Boston. 21 points on 31% shooting.

Game 4 against Boston. 21 points on 35% shooting.

2009 game 3 against Orlando. He scored 41 points, but on absolutely horrendous efficiency. 39% shooting and 1/8 from three. LOSS. Someone should have made him stop shooting.

2010 game 5 against Boston. 15 points on 21% shooting!!! LOSS. The series was tied 2-2 until that game. That Lebron choke put the Cavs down 3-2, and they went on to lose the series.

2011 game 1 against Philadelphia. 21 points on 29% shooting.

Game 5 against Philadelphia. 16 points on 39% shooting.

Game 3 against Boston. 15 points on 38% shooting. LOSS.

Game 1 against Chicago. 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Finals against Dallas. Most epic choke job of all time. Game 3, 17 points.

Game 4, 8 points on 27% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5, 17 points. LOSS.

Game 6, 21 points and 6 turnovers. LOSS.

2013 game 2 against San Antonio. 17 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against San Antonio, 15 points on 33% shooting. LOSS.

Game 5 against San Antonio, 25 points on 36% shooting. LOSS.

2014 game 5 against Indiana. 7 points on 20% shooting. Whooaaaaaaaa! LOSS.

2015 game 1 against Chicago. 19 points on 41% shooting. LOSS.

Game 6 against Chicago. 15 points on 30% shooting.

Game 4 against Golden State. 20 points on 32% shooting.

2016 game 3 against Detroit. 20 points on 33% shooting.

Game 2 against Golden State. 19 points on 42% shooting. LOSS.

2017 game 3 against Boston. 11 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2018 game 1 against Indiana. 24 points on 41% shooting. 0% from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Boston. 15 points on 31% shooting. LOSS.

2020 game 2 against Portland. 10 points on 36% shooting.

Game 1 against Houston. 20 points. LOSS.

Game 4 against Houston. 16 points on 41% shooting.

Game 1 against Denver. 15 points.

2021 game 1 against Phoenix. 18 points on 46% shooting. LOSS.

Game 3 against Phoenix. 21 points and 7 turnovers on 47% shooting.

Game 6 against Phoenix. 29 points on 11/26 shooting. ELIMINATION.

2023 game 5 against Memphis. 15 points on 29% shooting. 1-9 from three. LOSS.

Game 1 against Golden State. 22 points on 38% shooting. 1-8 from three.

Game 2 against Denver. 22 points. 0-6 from three. LOSS.

Game 4 against Denver. Wasted multiple possessions in 4th quarter, missed key shots, and blew the game-tying shot in the last possession. SWEPT.

2024 game 1 against Denver. 0 points in the fourth quarter of a close game. Actually, he had two points, but that was from an uncontested layup in the final minute of the game after Denver had already closed the game out. LOSS

Game 2 against Denver. The game is tied and the Lakers have the final possession. Instead of running the clock down, Lebron clanks a low-IQ three point shot, leaving Denver with plenty of time for a final possession. Murray, who is way more clutch than Lebron, makes the buzzer beater. LOSS.

8 points on 27% shooting isn't an "explanation" to this guy.^

Can't make this stuff up.