Imagine the huge failure if OKC loses to a +500 underdog, yet Lebron did in 09' & 10

[3ba11]

So Lebron never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed twice as an OKC-level favorite, which forced him to put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team (the "decision").

Somehow he got credit for winning the conference after that - a completely diluted conference that didn't even produce any 50-win opponents for the 2013 Eastern run and only required 22.8 ppg to win the 14' ECF.

This "decision" created an unprecedented 6 straight preseason favorites from 11' to 16', and also a sidekick to outplay the league MVP.. This unprecedented advantage required another unprecedented advantage to overcome it (KD's), but Lebron's advantage lasted twice as long (11-16' vs 17-19').

[SouBeachTalents]

The fact LeBron was ever that big of a favorite with those shitty Cavs squads just proves he's the GOAT.

[3ba11]

The fact LeBron was ever that big of a favorite with those shitty Cavs squads just proves he's the GOAT.

The Magic were missing their all-star point guard and closer/leader in Jameer Nelson.

So the Magic had the injury excuse but still won!!!

That's like the 15' Cavs beating the Warriors

So Lebron is a 100% joke and fraud.

Btw, Lebron "floor-raised" the Cavs to 45 wins in 2008, so Mo didn't arrive on a good team - he made them good by providing the all-star spacing that Lebron's stiff-arm needs.. Accordingly, the 09' Cavs were a 6th-year organic juggernaut that had an all-star guard, 2x all-star center and top defense

[ImKobe]

The fact LeBron was ever that big of a favorite with those shitty Cavs squads just proves he's the GOAT.

Cavs were a huge favorite in 2009 because the Magic were missing their star point guard.

[ShawkFactory]

Cavs were a huge favorite in 2009 because the Magic were missing their star point guard.

He went out in January? Bet most people don’t remember that.

It wasn’t like he got injured the round before..

[3ba11]

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09' Mo Williams..... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... #3 team defense
11' Jason Terry...... 15.8 PER... 0.9 BPM... 0.100 WS/48... 1.9 VORP... #8 team defense

09' Mo Williams...... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP.
90' Pippen.............. 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP

He went out in January? Bet most people don’t remember that.

It wasn’t like he got injured the round before..

And that's why the Cavs were favored by so much - the Magic were barely .500 without Nelson for the 2nd half of the year, so they were viewed as a garbage team and big underdog.

Furthermore, Lebron "floor-raised" the Cavs to 45 wins in 2008, so they became a top team in 2009 because they received the all-star spacing that Lebron's stiff arm needs in Mo Williams (relevant stats above).. So the 2009 Cavs were a 6th-year organic juggernaut with an all-star guard, 2x all-star center, great coaching and top defenses, yet they shockingly lost to an injured 1-star team in the playoffs..

Similar to Lebron's losses to the Nuggets and T'Wolves, Lebron choked down the stretch of every loss.. He had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4, which swung the series.. It's impossible for a team to win a close series if the star turns into a 7 turnover per game player in the 4th quarter, and 12 turnovers per game in clutch-time (last 5 within 5).. Lebron also had the worst-ever defensive blunder by deciding to guard Courtney Lee instead of his own position (Hedo)..

Furthermore, Lebron is also too ball-dominant at high scoring levels, so he can't carry the scoring load against top teams.., Specifically, he never carried weak help over top teams, such as beating a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick (18 on 38% from Mo), and he never carried the scoring load on the championship level (never defeated max defensive attention).

[3ba11]

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09' Mo Williams..... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... #3 team defense
11' Jason Terry...... 15.8 PER... 0.9 BPM... 0.100 WS/48... 1.9 VORP... #8 team defense

09' Mo Williams...... 17.2 PER... 2.3 BPM... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP.
90' Pippen.............. 16.3 PER... 1.8 BPM... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP

He went out in January? Bet most people don’t remember that.

It wasn’t like he got injured the round before..

And that's why the Cavs were favored by so much - the Magic were barely .500 without Nelson for the 2nd half of the year, so they were viewed as a garbage team and big underdog.

Furthermore, Lebron "floor-raised" the Cavs to 45 wins in 2008, so they became a top team in 2009 because they received the all-star spacing that Lebron's stiff arm needs in Mo Williams (relevant stats above).. So the 2009 Cavs were a 6th-year organic juggernaut with an all-star guard, 2x all-star center, great coaching and top defenses, yet they shockingly lost to an injured 1-star team in the playoffs..

Similar to Lebron's losses to the Nuggets and T'Wolves, Lebron choked down the stretch of every loss.. He had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4, which swung the series.. It's impossible for a team to win a close series if the star turns into a 7 turnover per game player in the 4th quarter, and 12 turnovers per game in clutch-time (last 5 within 5).. Lebron also had the worst-ever defensive blunder by deciding to guard Courtney Lee instead of his own position (Hedo)..

Furthermore, Lebron is also too ball-dominant at high scoring levels, so he can't carry the scoring load against top teams.., Specifically, he never carried weak help over top teams, such as beating a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick (18 on 38% from Mo), and he never carried the scoring load on the championship level (never defeated max defensive attention).

[ShawkFactory]

the Magic were barely .500 without Nelson for the 2nd half of the year

They were 27-13.

[SouBeachTalents]

They were 27-13.

Lmao

[3ba11]

They were 27-13.

The -700 odds includes the fact that the Magic were without their all-star guard.. Why is that hard to understand?...

The 2009 Magic were an injured team and considered a garbage, so they were a big underdog.. Lebron was facing a 1-star team... Again, why is this hard to understand?

The odds went back to normal in the Finals when Jameer returned

Lebron also lost as the favorite in 2010 and 2011, so this wasn't a one-off.. Oddsmakers hated him for losing as the favorite from 09' to 11', so they made his veteran super-team the underdog to baby Westbrick in 2012.

Similar to Lebron's losses to the Nuggets and T'Wolves, Lebron choked down the stretch of every loss against the Magic.. He had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4, which swung the series.. It's impossible for a team to win a close series if the star turns into a 7 turnover per game player in the 4th quarter, and 12 turnovers per game in clutch-time (last 5 within 5).. Lebron also had the worst-ever defensive blunder by deciding to guard Courtney Lee instead of his own position (Hedo)..

[ShawkFactory]

Lmao

Didn't go well

You haven't refuted that.

Cause there's nothing to refute. You haven't stated any facts so why would I refute 3ball conjecture?

The 2009 Magic were an injured team

Nah. Not an "injured team". Just missing maybe their 3rd best player who they'd been without for 3 months at that point and went 35-18, including playoffs, without. Including a win over the veteran Celts.

[3ba11]

Lmao

Again, none of that is relevant - the Magic were -700 underdogs because they were without their all-star guard - the fact that he was out for a while doesn't change this fact - it's just a diversion to pretend that you're responding to the point being made, when you're not.. it's sophistry, and that's what the losing side uses - it's what the fraud victims use.

[3ba11]

Didn't go well



Cause there's nothing to refute. You haven't stated any facts so why would I refute 3ball conjecture?



Nah. Not an "injured team". Just missing maybe their 3rd best player who they'd been without for 3 months at that point and went 35-18, including playoffs, without. Including a win over the veteran Celts.

Jameer was back for the Finals and the odds went back down..

Again, you made a non-point and now you're pretending it's a point.. It's nothing - the Magic were -700 underdogs because 1) they were injured, and 2) Mo had turned the Cavs into a good team (45 to 66 wins)...

The Cavs were garbage before Mo got there and Lebron averaged 26 on 35% with 5 TO's when he didn't have Mo's spacing in the 2008 Playoffs (vs Celtics) - then he played far better in 09' with spacing.. Again, the 09' Cavs were a 6th-year organic juggernaut that choked 2 years in a row, so Lebron left - he never "ruled the East" because he was embarrassed from 08-10' and forced to form super-teams.

[ShawkFactory]

Jameer was back for the Finals and the odds went back down..

Lol what?

Again, you made a non-point and now you're pretending it's a point

Awww man

The king of "sophistry" talking about some shit.

[1987_Lakers]

They were 27-13.