Ukraine Drone Footage Bombing Russian Planes

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm gonna be honest...

I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.



WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.

[Meticode]

I'm gonna be honest...

I didn't know there was that much death as a result of the Ukraine/Russia war.



WWIII might actually be closer than we all suspect.

Either way you cut it, it's sad. I'm not sure about the numbers, but I would assume at least tens of thousands of people have died at the minimum. They're reporting hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I'm not so sure how much I trust that. Think about Vietnam for the United States and how much of a disaster that was for us? The United States was roughly directly involved in the war for over 8 years and we lost 58,220 soldiers. In WW2 the US lost over 400,000 soldiers over the course of almost four years in direct confrontation of battles.

[Bill Gates]

The drawn out process of the war just shows how weak their military is. It's not a great superpower in terms of hardware and boots on the ground. Their main threat has been nukes for decades now.

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

[Meticode]

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.

If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.

[highwhey]

I agree with what you're saying, but Iraq is a poor comparison. Iraq's government and military was fractured. There was a lot of soldiers who didn't even want to fight for Saddam. Also Iraq had zero support from the outside world military-wise. Most of the opposition in Iraq wasn't their military, it was the insurgents disguising themselves as civilians and doing guerilla bomb tactics. Ukraine has billions of dollars of support from several countries including the U.S. through various means and military hardware.

If no one helped Ukraine I think the war would've been closer to being over than it is now.

as i said previously in this very thread, the US is often at the heart of these conflicts. it's in their best interest to fight a proxy war against russia. pretty much any administration aside from trump (bc of his shady dealings with putin) would have jumped at the opportunity to strike a blow to russia without getting their hands dirty. for some reason, this country is full of people that know how the us operates internationally yet they turn a blind eye when those conflicts begin having consequences outside of their borders (israel-palestine conflict, mexico-cartels). it's such hypocrisy because this country started or fueled to conflicts yet points fingers at everyone but themselves.

[jstern]

Absolutely. I mean, if the Russia army was a strong and powerful as diamenz suggests this would have been over a very long time ago. They wouldn't want to make long drawn out soft pushes over years and years time. They'd want to do it like the US did Iraq, sweep in, take control, overthrow the Gov, it's over. Then just occupy.

The goal is not to take over the whole of Ukraine, like the media has told you, and you believe with all of your heart, the goal is for Ukraine to become neutral and in the meantime 10 Ukrainians are dying for every Russian. Which you couldn't care less about, other than you want to argue the side that Joe Biden and the media has told you to.

The war would have been over, with Russia's objectives being met, neutral Ukraine, with a deal ready to be signed, champagne bottles popped open, but in April 2022, the Joe Biden crowd sent Boris Johnson, and forbid Zelenskyy from ending it. Killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainians, with Ukraine losing more land. Ukraine would have had more land, been in a much better position right now, but they want them to fight to the last Ukrainian.

In the meantime, Russia can just continue indefinitely occupying the land with Russian speaking people (The Donbas) that the Ukrainian government had been shelling since 2014. And you'll be happy sending them more tax payer money so that more Ukrainians die.

[Bill Gates]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

[jstern]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

You have a very low IQ, so even if Russia went into Ukraine with 1,000 soldiers you're going to believe that their intention was to take over the whole of Ukraine because Joe Biden and CNN told you so. (To take the whole of Ukraine requires over a million soldiers.) And then you're going to repeat it over and over, providing no arguments, just because believing that simplicity is all that your brain can handle. A sort of coping mechanism. The coping mechanism also forces you to block out that a peace deal was on the table in April 2022, ready to be signed, before the Joe Biden crowd blocked it, which contradicts your simplistic coping argument that Russia wanted to take the whole of Ukraine. A peace deal based on neutrality, blocked, and in the process killing some 700,000+ more Ukrainian, and Ukraine losing more land.

Edit: The deal was nearly signed. Russia then pulled its troops back from Kyiv as a goodwill gesture, which you and the media twisted (you unknowingly) that Ukraine was pushing Russia back.

[diamenz]

Russia invaded Kyiv and literally tried to take all of Ukraine at the start of the war. Putin wants control of the Ukraine Government. I am sorry to break this news to you.

you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.

i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.

[Bill Gates]

you have no evidence for these claims. that's why i've said it again and again and now jstern is telling you that you don't have a serious argument. just stop now. you've done enough damage to your credibility.

i bet you also believe that israel is prioritizing getting their hostages back even though they rejected a deal to do so because they want perpetual war.

Evidence? It literally happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)

It's literally you two that have zero evidence.

You're evidence is just "MSM LIES!"

[Bill Gates]

Based on available information, there is a strong indication that Vladimir Putin's long-term goals for Ukraine include the reestablishment of Russian control over the entire country, even if not through direct annexation.

Here's why:

Historical Claims: Putin has consistently questioned the historical legitimacy of Ukrainian statehood and insists on the "historical unity" of the two nations, viewing Ukrainians as essentially Russians.

Initial Invasion Goals: The 2022 invasion aimed at regime change in Kyiv, to replace the pro-Western government with a pro-Russian one and prevent Ukraine from joining NATO or the EU.

Current Actions and Statements:

Kremlin officials have stated that Russia's offensive into Dnipropetrovsk Oblast is within the framework of creating a "buffer zone" and have indicated wider territorial ambitions beyond the already annexed regions.

There have been claims from pro-Kremlin sources suggesting Russia's aim is to seize a significant portion of central, southern, and eastern Ukraine, potentially including cities like Dnipro and Odesa, by the end of 2026.

Russia continues to demand international recognition of its annexed territories and a neutral status for Ukraine, suggesting a desire for complete control over its geopolitical orientation.

While Russia currently occupies roughly 20% of Ukraine, these actions and statements suggest that the Kremlin's ambitions may not be limited to holding the currently occupied territories but rather encompass a broader desire to control or significantly influence the entirety of Ukraine.






low-IQ AI agrees with me

[Meticode]

I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.

[Bill Gates]

I just pooped in my toilet while reading this thread.

This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.

[Meticode]

This forum is way too much of a pain on a cell phone.

That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.

[jstern]

That's why I switch to mobile view when on it.

I've heard Axe talk about a mobile view for ISH, but I didn't think it was true. He is the ISH expert, but I figure I would have seen it. What is this mobile view?