Can someone explain to me how MJ finished 2nd in DPOY voting in 1993?

[1987_Lakers]

1993 DPOY Voting
1. Hakeem: 73
2. MJ: 9
3. David Robinson: 9
4. Dennis Rodman: 3
5. Patrick Ewing: 1

1993 Bulls
106.1 DRTG (7th in NBA)

1994 Bulls (Without MJ)
102.7 DRTG (6th in NBA)

[Meticode]

Hakeem's Defensive Rating in 1993: 96.1 (2nd in NBA)
Jordan's Defensive Rating in 1993: 102.4 (11th in NBA)

...maybe I'm in the minority, but I feel team success on defense isn't as weighted as heavily as some people think in a player winning Defensive Player of the Year. Depends on the year/season too.

[3ba11]

If you watch MJ, he has defensive plays that no one else did.. It's kind of like Lebron has the chasedown blocks but Jordan's uniqueness was his quickness...So he has all kinds of plays that no one else has due to his quickness and the quickest hands ever

Basically, anyone that watched at the time knew that MJ = next-level goat defender, so it shouldn't be surprising that he got DPOY and had 2 runner-ups, and was basically always top 5

This is intuitive for anyone that saw him play - he was simply viewed as a goat defender that galvanized the entire team

[gengiskhan]

1993 dpoy voting
1. Hakeem: 73
2. Mj: 9
3. David robinson: 9
4. Dennis rodman: 3
5. Patrick ewing: 1

1993 bulls
106.1 drtg (7th in nba)

1994 bulls (without mj)
102.7 drtg (6th in nba)

1993 nba steals leader

1993 nba best defender in the league voted by nba head coaches

[Full Court]

Can someone explain to me why insecure Bronie fluffers like OP are still melting down over Jordan's accomplishments decades later?

What a loser.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Someone could explain that Jordan was a great defender. Whether or not OP would understand the explanation is a different question entirely.

[1987_Lakers]

So nobody can explain why the Bulls were better on defense in '94 despite not having the guy who finished 2nd in DPOY voting the year before. Got it.

1993 Bulls DRTG: 106.1
League average: 108.0
Net: +1.9

1994 Bulls DRTG: 102.7
League average: 106.3
Net: +3.6

[GOBB]

So nobody can explain why the Bulls were better on defense in '94 despite not having the guy who finished 2nd in DPOY voting the year before. Got it.

1993 Bulls DRTG: 106.1
League average: 108.0
Net: +1.9

1994 Bulls DRTG: 102.7
League average: 106.3
Net: +3.6

The bulls SRS rating was significantly lower in 94 than 93.

[1987_Lakers]

The bulls SRS rating was significantly lower in 94 than 93.

We are talking defense here.

[GOBB]

We are talking defense here.

Yeah because strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Got it. Plays no role. 94 bulls were not as good defensively without MJ than they were with him in 93.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah because strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Got it. Plays no role. 94 bulls were not as good defensively without MJ than they were with him in 93.

What is this? The NFL? Nobody takes into consideration the strength of schedule in the NBA.

And SRS is not just strength of schedule. It accounts average point differential and strength of schedule. It seems like you don't even know what that stat works.

Their SRS was higher in '93 because they were a better offensive team, that is the side of the ball where Chicago really missed MJ.

[gengiskhan]

So nobody can explain why the Bulls were better on defense in '94 despite not having the guy who finished 2nd in DPOY voting the year before. Got it.

1993 Bulls DRTG: 106.1
League average: 108.0
Net: +1.9

1994 Bulls DRTG: 102.7
League average: 106.3
Net: +3.6

You must be the dumbest fk around!

1993 Scottie Pippen could not get to 200 steals (173/73 blks)
not until 1995, Pippen recovered and got 225+ steals as NBA Steals leader. finally.

much has to do with 1992 summer olympics.

1993 Jordan and Pippen both were burned out. except that 30 yrs MJ showed more and 28 pippens athleticism masked it.

1993 Pippen underperformed offensively and defensively. because of olympics fatigue and no summer time off going deep into finals 1991 and 1992 seasons.

all this matters.

1994 Bulls were fishing after ECSF. 1995 Pippen well rested in previous summer. 1995 Pippen became NBA steals leader and finished DPOY "runner-up" not once but twice (1996)

Jordan was just built diferent. 1993 MJ just went all out. the more tired he got. the more he killed himself defensively. Got that 1993 steals title and head coaches vote.

[GOBB]

What is this? The NFL? Nobody takes into consideration the strength of schedule in the NBA.

And SRS is not just strength of schedule. It accounts average point differential and strength of schedule. It seems like you don't even know what that stat works.

Their SRS was higher in '93 because they were a better offensive team, that is the side of the ball where Chicago really missed MJ.

Matters more in the NFL but that’s besides the point. SOS does matter in the NBA as well. And it did in the 94 season. Also why don’t you mention the changes to the roster in 94? You mention bulls missed MJ more on offense. However we know teams that lose a major piece offensively tend to hunker down defensively as a unit. When you list the additions on the 94 team vs the subtractions on the 93 team. You just might see more defensive minded players added. Which as a result helped the overall team defensively. Ontop of that team taking advantage of cupcakes that season. But focus less on that and more on the fact the 94 team defense doesn’t negate the impact of MJ individual defense in 93. You’re trying hard to correlate the def rtg disproving that but it doesn’t. MJ defense in 93 was great.

[Full Court]

You must be the dumbest fk around!

1993 Scottie Pippen could not get to 200 steals (173/73 blks)
not until 1995, Pippen recovered and got 225+ steals as NBA Steals leader. finally.

much has to do with 1992 summer olympics.

1993 Jordan and Pippen both were burned out. except that 30 yrs MJ showed more and 28 pippens athleticism masked it.

1993 Pippen underperformed offensively and defensively. because of olympics fatigue and no summer time off going deep into finals 1991 and 1992 seasons.

all this matters.

1994 Bulls were fishing after ECSF. 1995 Pippen well rested in previous summer. 1995 Pippen became NBA steals leader and finished DPOY "runner-up" not once but twice (1996)

Jordan was just built diferent. 1993 MJ just went all out. the more tired he got. the more he killed himself defensively. Got that 1993 steals title and head coaches vote.

He's definitely up there - along with Axe and Lebron23.

[1987_Lakers]

Matters more in the NFL but that’s besides the point. SOS does matter in the NBA as well. And it did in the 94 season. Also why don’t you mention the changes to the roster in 94? You mention bulls missed MJ more on offense. However we know teams that lose a major piece offensively tend to hunker down defensively as a unit. When you list the additions on the 94 team vs the subtractions on the 93 team. You just might see more defensive minded players added. Which as a result helped the overall team defensively. Ontop of that team taking advantage of cupcakes that season. But focus less on that and more on the fact the 94 team defense doesn’t negate the impact of MJ individual defense in 93. You’re trying hard to correlate the def rtg disproving that but it doesn’t. MJ defense in 93 was great.

So you did confuse SRS with strength of schedule. A team with a lower SRS usually means they are just a worse team

The newest adds who got the most minutes were Kukoc and Kerr, far from defensive stoppers.

The other adds who you could say were defensive minded like Longley only played 27 games that year. Wennington played under 20 mpg.

Myers who replaced MJ was a strong defensive player, but was he the 2nd best defensive player in the league like MJ supposedly was in '93?

A team like the Spurs went from having the #3 defense in '96 with David Robinson to dead last the next season without him. Now that is defensive impact!