BREAKING: Grizzlies Trade Bane to Magic

[warriorfan]

RMWG is having a meltdown because his tatum got f.ucked and now magic are legit better than Boston.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The obsession with me isn't as unhealthy as the freak addiction but it's still unhealthy. I would tell you to go outside and maybe you could make a friend but I would be lying.

[Meticode]

The obsession with me isn't as unhealthy as the freak addiction but it's still unhealthy. I would tell you to go outside and maybe you could make a friend but I would be lying.

What are you thinking happens for the Celtics this offseason in reference to them cutting salary? What are you hoping for?

[Real Men Wear Green]

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are you thinking happens for the Celtics this offseason in reference to them cutting salary? What are you hoping for?

It's not what I want but the combination of missed games, salary, and in Holiday's case, age, make me think that Stevens is going to move Porzingis and Holiday. This is all of course forced by the second apron and further forced by Tatum's injury. I can't blame the new ownership at all for not wanting to pay half a billion for 45 to 50 wins. With Tatum out for a year unless some team is willing to give up a replacement star for Tatum (not likely) a miniature rebuild is in order. Give JB a 50 game season to keep him healthy and see if they can get a lottery pick. Then after a year under the bleeping apron with a lottery pick and some more picks from moving Porzingis and Holiday pray Tatum comes back strong and see what they can do.

[coin24]

Porzingod has aids anyway and the Cs were going to get crushed by the no offense playing Knicks.. window closed.

Huge overpay from the magic but Bane can hit the 3 and he’s better than the scrubs kcpoop and bench warmer cole.. who knows that the picks would have been. Unless they’re top 3 prob not even that valuable anyway.
Magic don’t have a bad squad now, just need a few small pieces

[ImKobe]

No idea why you brought this up.

If you have a good front office you will get some good players out of 5 first round picks. You miss on all five first rounders your GM needs to be replaced.
Bane makes sense for 2 or 3 picks. 5 picks should be getting you a star. Overpaying for talent is never a good idea.

And which star are you getting that makes sense for Orlando and fits their time window and is available at 40 million? Bane's probably an all-star level player in the East and he's been the 3rd best at catch & shoot 3s since he's entered the league which is exactly what the Magic needed, and he's in the middle of his prime.

Also they didn't just get Bane, they got rid of KCP's horrible ass contract which you'd probably need to spend a pick on to get rid of anyway.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

[ImKobe]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

Which players?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Which players?

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

[Chick Stern]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

While I don’t think it’s a great deal, Bane is relatively young and a great 3 shooter. FA’s aren’t clamoring to go the swamp, so they had to overpay.
On the flip side, nobody is clamoring for the Celts aging, overpaid, oft injured assets, and the apron means they ain’t getting any FAs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

While I don’t think it’s a great deal, Bane is relatively young and a great 3 shooter. FA’s aren’t clamoring to go the swamp, so they had to overpay.
On the flip side, nobody is clamoring for the Celts aging, overpaid, oft injured assets, and the apron means they ain’t getting any FAs.

I'm not sure what the Celtics have to do with this but who the Celtics can or can't get remains to be seen. Rushing into a deal isn't needed and can lead to mistakes like the one Orlando just made.

[theman93]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

Bane not being an all-star is way overblown lol. Guys like Vanvleet, Herro, Lavine, Galrand, and Jrue have been all-stars in the East over the last few years. He's in that tier if not flat out better than some of those guys. But more importantly, he fits what we need more than any of those guys sans possibly Garland.

The no future draft picks is also just not true. We have 3 1st rounders over the next 5 years. Which is perfectly fine considering the young prospects who still need developed on the roster now in Black, Da Silva, Howard, and Houstan.

We're going in to year 5 of this rebuild and in that time frame Weltman hasn't made a trade until now. In fact, how conservative he's been has been an ongoing joke among Orlando fans. Calling this a microwave move is nothing short of hyperbolic or atleast ignorant to the situation. There's still existing young talent to develop, 1st rounders will still be coming through the pipeline, and our biggest need was addressed with one of the bests fits possible.

[theman93]

They sent out 5 first round picks. They could use all of them on shooters off they wanted to and none of them would have to be paid 40 million. But if they're willing to pay 40 mil per and give up 5 picks I suspect they could have found a way to get a real allstar and not just a guy you incorrectly assume is better than an EC allstar.

You're assuming those picks will even hit. Bane is a proven commodity who helps the team win both now and in the future.

[ImKobe]

The deal is bad enough to say that they would be better off long- term with the 5 picks but if you are going to deal 4 firsts plus one pick swap you should be talking about an allstar. You should be talking to Phoenix about what/who they want back for Devin Booker, seeing if the Celtics would part with Jaylen Brown, dealing with a higher level of player entirely.

Orlando should absolutely be better next season but trades should be thought about more deeply than whether or not they give you an immediate boost, especially if your team was not close to the championship level before and won't be now either. As Wagner and Banchero go for maxes or even supermaxes (in fact Banchero should not settle for less than supermax from a fiscal perspective) while other players also have to be paid on top of Bane who has 200 mil coming they will have no way of improving their roster, neither cap flexibility nor draft picks. They will stagnate as the 3rd to 5th best team in the East every year and that's if they don't suffer major injuries to their top players. If they do have an unlucky year where a star gets hurt they don't get the pick that would be the silver lining.

They have a solid shot at the second round now but that still could have been the case letting the core stars mature. Overpaying for a guy that isn't a star is something you should only do if you were already contending and he is the missing piece. A team like Cleveland could consider something like that for a guy that they view as the perfect fit. They're win-now. Orlando on the other hand had stars that are 22 and 23. No need to microwave dinner.

Ehh I don't really see how Booker makes sense for Orlando since you talk about potential cap problems in your post. At least with Banchero-Wagner-Bane it's only like a combined 120 million of the cap in 2027 for those 3. They can afford to keep their best players and avoid the 2nd apron. Suggs' yearly salary goes down after 2027 so this makes sense for them.

The East is wide open right now. This type of a move is what you'd expect from a franchise like the Magic who have never been a destination for stars. A couple role players wasn't going to cut it. Bane's contract as a 3rd guy isn't that bad given the cap raise in the coming years.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bane not being an all-star is way overblown lol. Guys like Vanvleet, Herro, Lavine, Galrand, and Jrue have been all-stars in the East over the last few years. He's in that tier if not flat out better than some of those guys. But more importantly, he fits what we need more than any of those guys sans possibly Garland.

Bane isn't as valuable as prime Jrue Holiday. He may well be more valuable than Lavine when healthy but his borderline status combined with his rough injury history mean he's not worth 5 picks.

The no future draft picks is also just not true. We have 3 1st rounders over the next 5 years. Which is perfectly fine considering the young prospects who still need developed on the roster now in Black, Da Silva, Howard, and Houstan.

You act like having other players mean the picks are of no value. Makes no sense.

We're going in to year 5 of this rebuild and in that time frame Weltman hasn't made a trade until now. In fact, how conservative he's been has been an ongoing joke among Orlando fans. Calling this a microwave move is nothing short of hyperbolic or atleast ignorant to the situation. There's still existing young talent to develop, 1st rounders will still be coming through the pipeline, and our biggest need was addressed with one of the bests fits possible.

You feeling impatient doesn't make this a good move.