"1991 Finals FMVP is Scottie" Horace's Never Ending Hatred of GOAT

[ImKobe]

Dame missed one game in 2020, Bam missed 2 games, I genuinely don't know who you're talking about in regards to Houston, maybe some role player. As already addressed, the Heat went 1-1 in games Bam missed, and pointing out a guy missing one game on an 8 seed is some seriously weak shit.

Now you're bringing up a bunch of injuries that didn't even occur against LeBron. Yeah, it's basketball, shit like that's gonna happen. I can bring up KG getting hurt in '09 and taking out the Lakers biggest threat, the team that beat them pretty soundly the year before. That's honestly a more beneficial injury than LeBron ever had in a title run.

Your other examples are frankly embarrassing, Parker & Curry both played the entire series, it's not uncommon for guys to be banged up by the Finals. Plus Curry was putting up superstar production against Portland & OKC after coming back, so the injury was clearly not bothering him before then.

Then there's the flipside, your even more egregious take that LeBron's teams have never had injury. Just off the top of my head

Bosh missed half the playoffs in 2012
Love missed the last 3 rounds in 2015
Kyrie missed half the ECF and nearly the entire 2015 Finals
Love missed the last 2 games of the 2018 ECF down 3-2
AD missed the last 3 games against Phoenix in 2021
That's not even mentioning the injuries that clearly hindered Wade & AD over the course of multiple seasons

It's beyond any reasonable doubt that LeBron's teams have been more negatively impacted by injury than his opponents.

I didn't say that.

Lillard injured his finger in Game 2 and then had a season-ending knee injury in Game 4.
Westbrook had a quad injury in 2020. He didn't come back until Game 5 against OKC in the first round and clearly wasn't the same player he was prior to injury, also was coming off having COVID on top of the bad quad.

It wasn't just Bam that got injured, Dragic was the Heat's best player through the first 3 rounds of the POs and he got injured playing less than 15 minutes in Game 1 and missed the next 4 games, tried returning and played limited minutes in Game 6 but had nothing to give.

I don't even need to go on further when the guy that replied to me doesn't even know what he's talking about.

[1987_Lakers]

I didn't say that.

Lillard injured his finger in Game 2 and then had a season-ending knee injury in Game 4.
Westbrook had a quad injury in 2020. He didn't come back until Game 5 against OKC in the first round and clearly wasn't the same player he was prior to injury, also was coming off having COVID on top of the bad quad.

It wasn't just Bam that got injured, Dragic was the Heat's best player through the first 3 rounds of the POs and he got injured playing less than 15 minutes in Game 1 and missed the next 4 games, tried returning and played limited minutes in Game 6 but had nothing to give.

I don't even need to go on further when the guy that replied to me doesn't even know what he's talking about.

I remember you rooting against your own team that year. Disappeared from this forum when they won it all.

[GOBB]

Pippen is my fav player of all time but Horace Grant is buggin. I get it tho. Those two really didn’t like Mike.

[SouBeachTalents]

I didn't say that.

Lillard injured his finger in Game 2 and then had a season-ending knee injury in Game 4.
Westbrook had a quad injury in 2020. He didn't come back until Game 5 against OKC in the first round and clearly wasn't the same player he was prior to injury, also was coming off having COVID on top of the bad quad.

It wasn't just Bam that got injured, Dragic was the Heat's best player through the first 3 rounds of the POs and he got injured playing less than 15 minutes in Game 1 and missed the next 4 games, tried returning and played limited minutes in Game 6 but had nothing to give.

I don't even need to go on further when the guy that replied to me doesn't even know what he's talking about.

You keep using guys who played the entire series. If the best example you can come up with in 20+ years is Goran Dragic, it's safe to say you've lost this argument conclusively.

[3ba11]

You keep using guys who played the entire series. If the best example you can come up with in 20+ years is Goran Dragic, it's safe to say you've lost this argument conclusively.

Steph Curry was injured in the 2016 Finals and wasn't 100% similar to Wade in 13/14, and it was actually worse because Curry's surgically-repaired knee needed a 3 week break after the OKC comeback win.. Bogut, Iggy and Draymond also got hurt or were suspended.

Then Jameer Nelson missed the 09' Playoffs but came back against Kobe in the Finals.

Then Bam and the Miami team was banged up big time.

Either way, half of Lebron's chips required 1) banged up and/or injured opponent (16, 20')... 2) a teammate bailout to avoid losing the Finals (13', 16')... 3) an equal-scoring partner for the playoff run (16', 20').... And all of Lebron's Finals required an equal-scoring partner that was within 1-5 ppg of Lebron..

This matters because an inability to carry the "star" category of scoring requires more star help and prevents the GM from getting defensive help and role players - it simply kills elite roster construction... i.e. the reason the Warriors were built so well is because Curry could carry the scoring load and win with a lesser producer than Jeff Hornacek at sidekick (Klay) - this lesser need for star help allowed the GM to fill out the roster with good role players and defenders.. Otoh, Klay would never be enough scoring help for Lebron, who needs franchise players from other teams to play 2nd and 3rd option for him - this need for star help reduces capacity to add good defenders & role players.. Lebron simply kills elite roster construction with his inability to carry the scoring load and skillset of turning everyone into spot-up shooter.

[dankok8]

You can't say guys like Parker and Curry weren't injured in 2013 and 2016 because they played but then count Wade as injured in 2013. Be consistent in your criteria.

[ArbitraryWater]

SGA is currently the recipient of a Haliburton injury at a major time.


Its not even thought about to alter his legacy or make any claims lol.


If this was Bron itd be "Haliburton asterisk".

[SouBeachTalents]

SGA is currently the recipient of a Haliburton injury at a major time.


Its not even thought about to alter his legacy or make any claims lol.


If this was Bron itd be "Haliburton asterisk".

Imagine if LeBron had Steph's history with opponent injury ImKobe's examples were pathetically weak, esp in comparison to that.

[ImKobe]

You keep using guys who played the entire series. If the best example you can come up with in 20+ years is Goran Dragic, it's safe to say you've lost this argument conclusively.

3 of Lebron's 4 Finals wins came vs injured opponents.

[Axe]

"I did that."

[sdot_thadon]

The mere mention of his name gets them heated af. Sam Smith a 4d chess troll out here, still pissing Mj stans off 30 years later. Take notes 3ball, thats how you troll effectively without lying.

[3ba11]

The mere mention of his name gets them heated af. Sam Smith a 4d chess troll out here, still pissing Mj stans off 30 years later. Take notes 3ball, thats how you troll effectively without lying.

Sam did lie - Horace never said that.. That's the point.. this is one of the most fugazi threads ever.. The 91' Finals was Jordan's best Finals and the greatest 2-way performance ever.. No one in history was the primary defender on a top 5 all-time player WHILE carrying the scoring load.. Only Jordan

And I've never lied about Lebron... He has a losing record with every type of good team, such as 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-8 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, and 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds.. Where's the lie?.. So you're the liar

Furthermore, his skillset increases everyone's assisted buckets (assisted rate), aka "turns everyone into spot-up shooter", which craters their assists and produces low assist teams.. The low assist teams are why every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists - inferior ball movement is his Achilles heel, so he has a lottery record against ball movement teams... Again, where's the lie? Lebron is a dumb ball-dominator that never developed young players or good chemistry because he turns everyone into spot-up shooter.

[sdot_thadon]

Sam did lie - Horace never said that.. That's the point.. this is one of the most fugazi threads ever.. The 91' Finals was Jordan's best Finals and the greatest 2-way performance ever.. No one in history was the primary defender on a top 5 all-time player WHILE carrying the scoring load.. Only Jordan

And I've never lied about Lebron... He has a losing record with every type of good team, such as 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-8 with all-star teammates, 4-6 with Finals teams, and 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds.. Where's the lie?.. So you're the liar

Furthermore, his skillset increases everyone's assisted buckets (assisted rate), aka "turns everyone into spot-up shooter", which craters their assists and produces low assist teams.. The low assist teams are why every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists - inferior ball movement is his Achilles heel, so he has a lottery record against ball movement teams... Again, where's the lie? Lebron is a dumb ball-dominator that never developed young players or good chemistry because he turns everyone into spot-up shooter.

Umm it was from a direct interview with Horace bud. It has quotes around the statement in question. I get why Sam Smith rustles your jimmies. I guess hes ruining your childhood or what not. But hes a journalist and you are just a stan. I'll go with the journalist that actually interviewed Horace over the zealot losing sleep over it.