Haliburton, Tatum, Lillard torn Achilles: freak accidents or noteworthy trend?

[Phoenix]

The answer is not to reduce games. It's to go back to traditional basketball. This is another reason why there needs to be less 3s. It's ironic because we thought we were seeing players extend their careers by playing this soft basketball. But it's hurting people because they aren't tough enough. The only way to toughen them up is to get them playing contact ball again and learn how to post up and hand check. Less running, but a more balanced physical approach. They might get more bumps and bruises, but there will be less achilles tears.

That's the problem as I said before: they're not going back to 'traditional' basketball unless they outright eliminate the 3 or cap attempts. Or push it the line out 3 feet and eliminate the corner 3. And reversing a few rule changes like the shotclock resetting at 14 seconds off an offensive rebound, change that back to 24 seconds. Maybe even change the shotclock itself from 24 to 28 or 30. Slow it down. Teams are now basing their offense specifically around creating 3 point opportunities. I think many(most?) of us would like a return to more diversified offenses, teams and players as the whole thing feels homogenized now, but I don't know how they get that horse back in the barn.

[GOBB]

Hahaha I thought I was the only one experiencing the double posts. With the pop up ads, double posts or random site going down. Only site that does this for me.

[Phoenix]

Hahaha I thought I was the only one experiencing the double posts. With the pop up ads, double posts or random site going down. Only site that does this for me.

It feels like every third post I make this shit happens. Annoying as fukk....

[beasted]

Adam Silver says league taking serious look at Achilles tears

The NBA had already convened a panel of experts to study Achilles tendon injuries even before Indiana star Tyrese Haliburton ruptured his in Game 7 of the NBA Finals, Commissioner Adam Silver said Wednesday night. The league had seven known Achilles injuries this season – Pacers forwards James Wiseman and Isaiah Jackson, New Orleans guard Dejounte Murray and Miami guard Dru Smith had them in the regular season, and Boston’s Jayson Tatum, Milwaukee’s Damian Lillard and Haliburton were hurt in the playoffs. Silver, speaking to ESPN as part of its NBA draft coverage, said there weren’t any in the NBA in the previous season. “We had already convened a panel of experts before Tyrese’s most recent Achilles rupture,” Silver said on the telecast. “We had seven this year. We had zero last year under the exact same circumstances. The most we’ve ever had in a season is four.”

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...achilles-tears

[John8204]

Just look at Zion

One of the more interesting things about ACL injuries is the bigger guys seem to avoid them.

Zion, Jokic, Embiid, Lebron, Shaq, Mutombo, Ewing, Robinson, Walton, Barkley...all went there careers without ACL tears

Durant, Kyrie, Nique, Kobe, Dame, Rose, Tatum...all skinnier more "in shape" guys.

I can't think of a 300lber that tore his ACL in the NBA...

[3ba11]

The greater floor space that defenders must cover from the 3-pt shooting is made infinitely harder by having this spacing responsibility put exclusively on a player's LEGS, since they can't use their hands or upper body to help them manage the offensive player (no hand-checking, bumping or "impeding").. Essentially, it's the hands-off spaced-out beginner format that makes scoring automatic and defense a track meet - thanks Silver

[beasted]

One of the more interesting things about ACL injuries is the bigger guys seem to avoid them.

Zion, Jokic, Embiid, Lebron, Shaq, Mutombo, Ewing, Robinson, Walton, Barkley...all went there careers without ACL tears

Durant, Kyrie, Nique, Kobe, Dame, Rose, Tatum...all skinnier more "in shape" guys.

I can't think of a 300lber that tore his ACL in the NBA...

You said ACL but I assume you meant achilles

[tpols]

It does kind of fascinate me that guys on top of being more durable, we're also drinking and smoking and even abusing drugs as well... still dominated. Shawn Kemp and Lawrence Taylor probably smoked a mountain of crack cocaine between the two of them. Or the one of them. Rarely hurt and athletic as ****. I feel like guys were just tougher back then.

[GOBB]

It does kind of fascinate me that guys on top of being more durable, we're also drinking and smoking and even abusing drugs as well... still dominated. Shawn Kemp and Lawrence Taylor probably smoked a mountain of crack cocaine between the two of them. Or the one of them. Rarely hurt and athletic as ****. I feel like guys were just tougher back then.

Kemp didn’t do crack

[Baller234]

That's the problem as I said before: they're not going back to 'traditional' basketball unless they outright eliminate the 3 or cap attempts. Or push it the line out 3 feet and eliminate the corner 3. And reversing a few rule changes like the shotclock resetting at 14 seconds off an offensive rebound, change that back to 24 seconds. Maybe even change the shotclock itself from 24 to 28 or 30. Slow it down. Teams are now basing their offense specifically around creating 3 point opportunities. I think many(most?) of us would like a return to more diversified offenses, teams and players as the whole thing feels homogenized now, but I don't know how they get that horse back in the barn.

This is gonna be a controversial take but I'm starting to think the 3pt shot actually ruined the integrity of the game. We were raised on it and we have a lot of great memories with it but you can't deny it undermines the game.

First of all it inflates the value of shooters. Guys who can't do much else but space the floor and shoot are now capable of dominating a game on any given night because they can hit open 3's.

Second, it achieves the opposite of what the game is supposed to be. The goal of basketball on offense is to generate the highest percentage FGA. The goal on defense is to generate the lowest percentage FGA.

But the 3pt line undoes all that strategy. It rewards and incentivizes low percentage shots. Now teams are just chucking (gambling) every other possession. Meanwhile on defense you could force a guy to chuck from 25 feet but still get punished. The 3pt element takes the some strategy out of the game and adds a wild card.

When I think about it now the 2011 Mavs should have been the telling sign. That Game 4 they just totally shot the Lakers out of the gym. Felt like every other possession someone was wide open for a 3, like they were playing a totally different game. In reality they were.

But is that really basketball is the question. Don't get me wrong they were a great team and they proved themselves, showed up big in a lot of games, but their 2nd best scorer was Jason Terry. Tough as nails but not a guy who could have been the 2nd best scorer on a championship team in an era without the 3. Like I said the value of certain guys gets inflated.

[Jasper]

all the players were drinking the same juice water ... and it affected their heels.

[Hey Yo]

"I think the one thing we have to do is get away from the defensive nature of trying to convince people, players and teams that there's no connection between the loads and the injuries," Presti said. "We're kind of bordering on a level of -- it's almost insulting, you know? It doesn't mean it's anyone's fault. It doesn't mean we don't want our best players playing every single night. It's not a matter of players not wanting to play or being soft or anything like that. But I don't think we should be putting our head in the sand and acting like there's no correlation."

"If we're pointing to data, the data is from 20 years ago or 10 years ago," Presti said. "The game is a totally different sport than it was even several years ago because of the amount of possessions, the way the offenses work now. It's not people standing around the 3-point line waiting for double teams and then the ball to get kicked out. There's so much movement in every possession. We're playing almost like two games compared to 10 years ago and how involved the bodies are."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/t...ost-insulting/