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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    this guy is a glorified glenn rice shooter... i see nothing else.


    Might be time for a visit to the eye doctor.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Glen Rice to be one of the wildest comparisons I’ve ever heard. Not even my level play. I just don’t know why they would be in the same sentence. There’s nothing to compare but skin color.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

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    And then we get back to the reality that if you murdered and confiscated the wealth of all the world‘s billionaires, including those I have America you couldn’t even pay America’s national debt much less actually Finance the far reaching programs necessary to do what people want to do.

    And at that point you’re out of your boogie men and looking for a new scape goat for the world’s issues.

    it’s always pointed out just how much a billion is in an effort to get people to understand the wealth of these people, but what’s equally true is just how many people need help and how quickly those billionaires money runs out when you try to spread long-term relief over that many people.

    It’s like when people say Elon Musk has enough money to give ___ to everyone in America thinking it’s a lot it’s actually like 1000 bucks.

    Taking every dollar every one of these people have wouldn’t be enough, even if you could transfer it without bureaucracy and not have to rely on a broken system to distribute it and managed the process.

    That’s also pretending you wouldn’t destroy the economy, trying to liquidate enough assets to take all the billionaires money in the first place.

    taking it all wouldn’t get the job done. So you definitely aren’t getting it done with a revamp tax system that was simply shuffle around the trillions, we already bring in while spending more.

    You have to tear the system down to zero and rebuild the budget having to justify the expenditure of every dollar instead of simply re-authorizing all the previously inserted pork, which is ultimately why none of this will ever work.

    there is not enough money available through any system of taxation or even outright murder and theft to pay down the debt we already have so anything we add is just deepening the hole.

    One side is fine with deepening it for one set of issues, and the other side wants to deepen it for another set of issues, both of which have their points and both of which have undeniable forms of corruption.

    there is no answer short of the kind of tyranny necessary to overcome the system of government we have which intentionally makes large changes difficult.

    You’d have to destroy America and rebuild it with a different constitution and start over.

    and the process would be so ugly you would be remembered as a worse monster than the people who got us in this spot in the first place.
    You cannot think with this mindset. You solve one problem at a time.

    I've worked in the corporate business world for several years now tackling problems that feel completely insurmountable. If nothing that you do is contributing towards progress then what is the point of living at all?

    You seem very entrenched in this ideology so I won't try and change your mind. But, best of luck.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    this guy is a glorified glenn rice shooter... i see nothing else.
    Ridiculous comparison. He's a glorified Rip Hamilton.

    For the slower people in the forum, the above is sarcasm.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by beasted View Post
    You cannot think with this mindset. You solve one problem at a time.

    I've worked in the corporate business world for several years now tackling problems that feel completely insurmountable. If nothing that you do is contributing towards progress then what is the point of living at all?

    You seem very entrenched in this ideology so I won't try and change your mind. But, best of luck.

    I’m not entrenched in anything. I’m just a realist who doesn’t fall for nice sounding plans with impractical ideas from people who refuse to acknowledge the lack of real world feasibility.

    I’ll be anti billionaire pay your fair share bullshit is just to get applause from ignorant poor people who don’t understand how much money you actually need and how much is available through taxes.

    Taking every ounce of wealth, these people have across the entire earth would pay 38% of America’s current debt. So how exactly do you simply find a way to increase taxes on just the American ones and Finance the massive New spending programs you would have to have to really “fix” things?

    You can’t. The whole line of thinking is flawed in the first place because the only true solution is a long long long-term reduction in spending. And to reduce spending by the amount necessary, you would either have to stop paying on the debt we have(likely wrecking the world economy), Cut Social Security and Medicaid so much the resulting backlash would guarantee whatever party did it would be voted out so completely the opponents would end up with a super majority, or almost entirely pause defense spending.

    And any one of the three would only serve to basically balance the budget and let you gradually get towards the black over a period of decades.

    The simple fact is America spends too much money for what it brings in so no new major programs can do anything, but put us further in the red because no change to the tax status of the super rich the left loves to paint as the problem could generate enough money.

    The billionaires have a lot of money compared to a normal person. The billionaires do not make enough money to fix America.

    Go ahead and lead your mob of peasants to eat the rich and somehow absorb all the American billionaires net worth in liquid form into the federal government. All you could do is cover the interest payments on America’s debt for five or six years. Or you could run the country till spring.

    None of these pie in the sky, feel good, rally the stupid poor people who don’t know any better tax plans fix the problem of runaway spending that exists because both sides have to compromise on every budget.

    You get to what would have to happen in the real world to implement most of the bullshit the deep left wants to happen and nobody actually has an answer that wouldn’t immediately get whoever tried to implement it put out of the government and replaced by someone who would completely undo it.

    I must’ve had some version of this discussion with a few Dozen people over the years, none of which actually have an answer. They have slogans. And slogans don’t get things done.

    Everyone eventually just acknowledges what they’re saying is impossible with the current system or that they would have to do it while continuing to increase the debt because the bullshit they want to do will not actually raise enough money to fix the current issues.

    These issues are bone deep and people who don’t think past 10 word answers and bumper sticker solutions to get the simple minded on their side by making an enemy of someone else I never prepared to have a true discussion on what the political climate would demand to actually accomplish this shit.

    Nobody wants to hear it. They want to do what you did and act like being honest about the real world questions that need answering is just being negative.

    The way you get this far gone in the first place is people trying to implement plans that aren’t long-term feasible without a fix in mind to begin with. And people think you can Get out of the hole previous versions of them put us in by digging deeper. And I promise you aren’t gonna get to China and pop out of a hole. You’re just gonna keep getting deeper and then die. That’s the real world.

    And that’s why I could never go into politics(I’ve been approached on a local level). I’m gonna tell people the truth and then lose. I’m an excellent bullshitter and all my life people told me I should’ve been a lawyer or a preacher. I could absolutely shape an argument to tell morons what they want to hear to get support. But I wanna be right more than I wanna win in the eyes of people who just Want warm, comforting, lies to wrap themselves up in.

    “Yes we can” and make America great again win elections. Looks great on a shirt or a hat. But you can’t take enough of the country with you to fundamentally rebuild it. And even if you did, you would lose too much of it to get the job done in the decades it would take when you destroy the economy or totally ruin your sides popularity by cutting off the kinds of things you would have to to even begin fixing the problem.

    The truth doesn’t get you anywhere when you need the votes of stupid people to get elected. And both sides do.

    i’m content to tell people truth they don’t like even if it’s unpopular. I don’t like them either. But all the people lying that they have the answer just get elected and show you they don’t.

    Do a great job getting across the finish line with bullshit issues that don’t really matter like a handful of trans people or a handful of billionaires We could kill and Rob and be in the exact same spot we are now.

    there is no big answer in this system of government that allows the backlash to get you kicked out.

    That’s all there is to it.

    The Max contracts and the billionaires are not the problem. The problem is corruption and not having the balls to be unpopular for the last 75 years. And you can’t tax your way out of it

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

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    Ridiculous comparison. He's a glorified Rip Hamilton.

    For the slower people in the forum, the above is sarcasm.
    now you’ve got me trying to decide who he is a glorified version of. There aren’t many good comparisons that come to mind. It’s not that his Skill set is so unique. It’s just the role of the lead guard has changed so much with play styles It’s hard to use most historical examples.

    penny didn’t shoot enough. Most of the people who did what kind of ball handler or defender he is.

    It’s kinda tough actually.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kblaze8855 View Post
    now you’ve got me trying to decide who he is a glorified version of. There aren’t many good comparisons that come to mind. It’s not that his Skill set is so unique. It’s just the role of the lead guard has changed so much with play styles It’s hard to use most historical examples.

    penny didn’t shoot enough. Most of the people who did what kind of ball handler or defender he is.

    It’s kinda tough actually.
    No, it's not that there's anything unprecedented about his skillset/play-style per se. It was more like......Glen Rice?!?! There's not a single thing one can point to where that's a remotely apt comparison. As for Penny the majority of his best years were with Shaq, the glimpse of him taking a larger scoring role was the 96 season covering for him to start the year. I figure if he was healthy after 98 post Shaq you'd have seen some 28/7/5 seasons from him.

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    this guy is a glorified glenn rice shooter... i see nothing else.
    Last time you visited the eye doctor? You’re due

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    how many dimes or boards in critical times

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    how many dimes or boards in critical times
    Shai averaged 6.5 assists per game in the playoffs. Rice averaged 1.8

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper View Post
    how many dimes or boards in critical times
    6 and 5 of those in the finals which led to a ring and FMVP. By the way, Glen Rice had 2097 assists in 15 years. SGA has 2362 in 7.

    What are we talking about here?

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    Default Re: SGA sign Supermax for 72 million a season.

    hartenstein and or caruso are gone in 2 years. Lineup is gonna be like cason, shai, dort, jalen, chet in future with 1-2 guys off the bench. Lot of pressure on shai to stay mvp lvl and jalen and chet to improve

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