What are some unpopular basketball beliefs that you have?

[Full Court]

That the thunder ended up being the 4th-6th seed in 2023, even though it's bright as daylight that it never happened at all.

Yeah, I remember when you said that. It was a completely idiotic take, but not at all surprising coming from you. Probably one of the reasons you were voted dumbest poster in ISH history.

[rmt]

I’ll never forget Dirk receiving his ‘07 MVP award just days after losing to the 8th seed Warriors in the first round.

Yes - bittersweet. Perfect example of why they should announce MVP earlier.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah, I remember when you said that. It was a completely idiotic take, but not at all surprising coming from you. Probably one of the reasons you were voted dumbest poster in ISH history.

I didn't know what he was talking about, but the way you responded just confirms it was something you said, lol.

[L.Kizzle]

I'll start.

- Shawn Kemp was the best defender on the '96 Sonics, even over Gary Payton who won DPOY that season.

Shawn Kemp was an underrated defender. Most people rate big man defense higher than perimeter defense.

[1987_Lakers]

Shawn Kemp was an underrated defender. Most people rate big man defense higher than perimeter defense.

Not only that, but when Marcus Smart won DPOY, it was pretty obvious during the Finals that Robert Williams was Boston's best defender.

[L.Kizzle]

The 77' Ring is the greatest championship of all-time.

Shaquille O'Neal was not the most dominant player of all-time, rather he was the most toxic that cost his teams more titles than he won.

Paul Arizin, Dolph Schayes, and George Mikan all belong in respective top ten lists based on positions.

The Basketball Hall of Fame needs to recognize Iggy, Robert Horry, Bill Laimbeer, Mark Jackson, Derek Fisher, and AC Green

When you say recognize, do you mean voted in as a player or as a contributor?
There are certain player like Wayne Embry voted in not as a player but as a contributor (even though he had a case to make it as a player.)

Should Derek Fisher be recognized over someone like Marques Johnson?

[Full Court]

I didn't know what he was talking about, but the way you responded just confirms it was something you said, lol.

Nice try. Bronie fluffers just keep on taking Ls.

[L.Kizzle]

Like Thorpesaurous, I'd take peak McHale over Barkley, Malone, and Dirk. I'd also take him over Davis & maybe even Giannis and KG. I highly value his two-way impact - the rim protection, the defensive versatility, and the resilient half-court post offense. I'd rank him on par with Dirk as the best on offense and only clearly below Duncan and Garnett on defense. Here's how it'd look if I had to rank by tiers:

OFFENSE
Tier 1: Dirk, McHale
Tier 2: Barkley, Davis, Giannis, Duncan
Tier 3: Malone, Garnett

DEFENSE
Tier 1: Duncan, Garnett
Tier 2: Davis, Giannis, McHale
Tier 3: Malone, Dirk, Barkley

McHale would lead his teams to many 44-win seasons of he didn't have Bird, Parish and Dennis Johnson on his squad.

Switch Kevin McHale with Buck Williams on the Nets in the 80s and those are the wins he getting.

[Wally450]

I truly don't believe that Zaza purposely put his foot underneath Kawhi's ankle.

People gave Zaza so much shit for that and not a peep was made when LMA did it to Klay in a game later that series.

It was because Kawhi was ballin on the Warriors and the injury changed the entire series and he missed the remainder of the series.

[Axe]

I didn't know what he was talking about, but the way you responded just confirms it was something you said, lol.

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Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they make somewhere 4th-6th seed this year. Solid team.

I truly don't believe that Zaza purposely put his foot underneath Kawhi's ankle.

People gave Zaza so much shit for that and not a peep was made when LMA did it to Klay in a game later that series.

It was because Kawhi was ballin on the Warriors and the injury changed the entire series and he missed the remainder of the series.

The clip showing it surely looked suspicious though. At least kawhi was able to avenge that loss in the 2019 finals but pachulia wasn't there anymore.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lue made what I think is a great point regarding the infamous AI stepover. He calls him Doug Collins by mistake, but if Marv Albert doesnt have his emphatic "Then steps OVER Tyronn Lue" call, you could make a valid argument that play doesn't become nearly as iconic as it did.

[Full Court]

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The clip showing it surely looked suspicious though. At least kawhi was able to avenge that loss in the 2019 finals but pachulia wasn't there anymore.

^Throwing a bitch fit because he got outed for being borderline retarded. Minus the borerline.



Dumbest. poster. in. ISH. history.

[StrongLurk]

Jokic is better than Bird ever was.

[Phoenix]

I don't agree with the titles part (he won 4 after all), but he should have won the MVP in 2001-2005 or so and be in the GOAT conversation. He was too lazy to do that, though. Anyway, here are my takes:

-Tim Duncan is Top-5 all-time and should be in GOAT conversations.
-If Derrick Rose didn't get injured he would won more Regular Season MVPs and also a championship with the Bulls.
-The 2004 Pistons were as good as the 2008 Celtics, but the players don't milk that ring as much as the Celtics' players.

I don't think that's an unpopular take, or at least not a controversial one. Frankly he ticks all the boxes but for whatever reason when people talk about all-time peaks, I never see his name mentioned. But just look at his first 6-7 years. Dude was like an MVP level, all-NBA performer out the gate and winning titles from his 2nd year. One could argue his prime coinciding with the Shaq/Kobe Lakers probably cost him 2 titles.

His lack of flash and understated personality have unfairly cost him legacy points, because frankly he SHOULD be top 5. Like his career wasn't any worse than someone like Bird or Magic, but he doesn't get the 'they saved the NBA' boost that those two gate( which is not to say they're undeserving, just that Duncan rightly belongs in that class of player in terms of floor impact, individual and team accolades).

[Axe]

Orlando would have won multiple titles if he was loyal, Lakers would have won more, Heat would have won more, Celtics would have won more. But he was too lazy/toxic and sabotaged those organizations and teams