Are you generally in favor of the rules forcing great teams to break up?

[Norcaliblunt]

The system isn’t changing for the same reason players aren’t gonna start taking drastically less than fair market value. It’s ****ing stupid business. I don’t see how you blame one and not the other when they share the exact same motivation. You just choose to put less blame on the people who have more to spare for some reason.

The system isn’t just one side. The system is both sides. You can’t blame one and not the other

I think it comes down to this. You don’t fight billionaires by trying to be one, and nobody’s right when everybody’s wrong.

You could eliminate “the rules”, get rid of the cap, have a complete free market, and it would still come down to players being lured away and selling out for more money.

[Norcaliblunt]

Come on Kblaze don’t duck the question?????

How come it’s really the free market that breaks up great teams and not the so called “rules” of which you’ve implied?

Give me a wall of text explaining. Please.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m not really sure what you’re even asking me so I guess I’m gonna have to read through some of this again but for now I’ll just point out….

[Kblaze8855]

Second guy signed. I’m not sure what the rules are about having more than one super Max and rookie super extension. I know you can’t sign two players to a super max, but I don’t know about the regular super Max and the rookie scale super Max on the same team. You’d figure if they had to choose, they would give SGA the super and Williams the rookie super and give Chet whatever version of the max they have left, but like I said I’m not up on the rules on combining them. Maybe they can have 2 rookie max and a regular super? There’s no way they get Jalen to sign for less than he could is there?

[Kblaze8855]

Of course there’s always the under the table option. I’m sure it’s more common than we think. Joe Smith is the most prominent example that got caught, but Gilbert Arenas told a story recently of the warriors being unable to match the wizards offer and trying to give him a one year deal +4 luxury cars to take an under the table agreement they would give him his money next summer. He said his Agent talked him out of it by pointing out the difference in first year money would pay for those cars and more.

his dumb ass was about to take it.

He didn’t even mention The agent caring that it was illegal.

[FultzNationRISE]

I’m not really sure what you’re even asking me

No one ever is.

Asking deranged nonsense questions is just what that poster does.

[NBAGOAT]

Second guy signed. I’m not sure what the rules are about having more than one super Max and rookie super extension. I know you can’t sign two players to a super max, but I don’t know about the regular super Max and the rookie scale super Max on the same team. You’d figure if they had to choose, they would give SGA the super and Williams the rookie super and give Chet whatever version of the max they have left, but like I said I’m not up on the rules on combining them. Maybe they can have 2 rookie max and a regular super? There’s no way they get Jalen to sign for less than he could is there?

New cba those rules all go out the window even the supermax rule. You just have to follow cap rules. Mobley and garland both got rookie maxes while Mitchell had max extension though not the supermax.

[Kblaze8855]

I just read up on it. There’s still a limit the new rule just added an exception granting an extra slot if you drafted the players in question. So you can have 2 rookie Supermax Derrick Rose rule guys and a regular super…if you drafted them all. They just know it’s gonna force you into the luxury tax and eventually into moving one of them.

[iamgine]

it’s only the end of the discussion if you think someone who started life poor and is trying to maximize the brief window of earning potential is the one who should be sacrificing instead of people like the guy who runs the Nuggets talking about possibly having to trade Jokic over money when his dad owns the Nuggets, the Rams, Arsenal and an NHL team and his mom is the daughter of the founder of Walmart.

both sides could afford to make less money or to generally be less wealthy, but one side has quite a bit more wiggle room.

People like Dan Gilbert have wealth that fluctuates by $20-$30 billion. He’s been from 20 billion up to 40 billion down to 30 up to 50 and now he’s around 27. And we’re talking about players who could afford to leave some on the table?

Steve Ballmers worth like $150 billion. But it’s Kawhi Leonard’s fault if he doesn’t choose to simply pay the repeater luxury tax?

The owners have made it cost prohibitive to build these teams and keep them, but quite a few of them are the kind of rich where nothing is truly cost prohibitive.

The Cash poor NBA owners are actually people like the Buss family who were holding an asset worth $10 billion till they decided to cash it out.

Blaming players because people who have virtually but not quite inexhaustible resources Choose to limit what they will spend for contention?

Especially when even if everyone leaves something on the table teams like the Celtics would still get broken up? They got rid of their fourth and fifth options And saved 180,000,000. If their five best players all left something on the table? It wouldn’t be enough to keep the team together if ownership doesn’t feel like it paying to lose for at least a year.


It’s bad business, so Owners choose not to do it even though they could. Knowing that I don’t know how you blame the players for doing good business when relatively speaking, they need the money a lot more.

To me the spirit of the cap is to break teams up.

It's no one's fault. If Kawhi accept less money than he's worth, then he's at fault. If teams force themselves to pay players, then it's their fault. At least in the context the cap.

[Kblaze8855]

So that’s all three.





Let the countdown begin

[NBAGOAT]

So that’s all three.





Let the countdown begin

they're gonna be in 2nd apron in 2 years or maybe cant pay for a 5th starter. wallace has potential to earn like 25mil his next contract. Its gonna be shai caruso dort jalen chet and draft picks on the bench

[Kblaze8855]

The cap will be about 200 million by that final season.

[Norcaliblunt]

Im’ asking why are you acting stupid, like the free market doesn’t exist?

I mean you made a whole thread about rules when it doesn’t come down to rules at all.

It comes down to the free market and players leaving for more money.

Why are you making it more complicated?

So you can sound smart?

[Duffy Pratt]

The counter is just because you drafted well doesn’t mean it’s good for the league if you dominate. Imagine say a richer guy like ballmer or Gilbert owned okc and there was no 2nd apron. They could be flipping Hartenstein Caruso every pick for Giannis in half a year. It be great to watch for a half year but other teams are basically dead for Giannis’ whole prime. Lot of fans wouldn’t be happy. 3/4 of the golden state super team also home grown.

Can also argue it’s smart team building to put together a team that’s not drafted. Haliburton and siakam were traded for. Siakam trade wasn’t the obvious superstar trade most teams didn’t want to pay him a max. If there wasn’t a 2nd apron Indiana could’ve gone for a 3rd star too I think with nembard and turner making good money. Nembard other salary picks for Desmond bane for example like Orlando did.

I get fans see okc current squad way differently than say the kd Kyrie harden nets where everyone forced their way there and the owner spends infinite money but Indiana was technically built the same way. They just feel way different because the names they got weren’t big.

The problem with this is that the NBA has always done better when there have been established, dominant teams. The league was growing when Minneapolis ruled, and the Celtics, and the Lakers/Celtic era, and the Bulls, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and the Warriors. It faced its worst stretches when there was more parity, during the 70s and now.

[Duffy Pratt]

Im’ asking why are you acting stupid, like the free market doesn’t exist?

I mean you made a whole thread about rules when it doesn’t come down to rules at all.

It comes down to the free market and players leaving for more money.

Why are you making it more complicated?

So you can sound smart?

It’s not a free market, and it’s not even close. In fact, it’s not even a market in the traditional sense. The goal of the Lakers is not to increase their market share by putting other teams out of business.