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    His approval ratings on immigration have taken a huge hit too, it's underwater, by a lot, Americans aren't down with ICE using Gestapo tactics apparently.
    "I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

    "Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

    "The stock market is never going to recover..."

    "Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."

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    "I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

    "Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

    "The stock market is never going to recover..."

    "Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."
    "Trump has no chance of winning Michigan"

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3lademaster View Post
    What do you dummies mean no one cared about the Epstein list until now?

    The most common sentiment in here by non Trumpers was to release the list, and whoever is on it be it Biden, Clinton, Trump whoever; they should get punished. There’s not much more to be said than that.

    Now, Trump ran on releasing the list. He won, and his appointed FBI director has full access to the list and can release it at any time. This isn’t a debate, this is according to FBI director Patel himself. So now it’s just another case of holding him to his word, for which I don’t expect much from his word means **** all at this point, but as the people we can’t just let him keep squirming his way out of accountability.

    The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

    No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

    They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

    The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

    ****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

    It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

    Thats your filthy side.


    Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.


    You people are so intellectually dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater View Post
    The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

    No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but everyone I've spoken with in real life thought the Epstein list should be released and whoever is on it should be punished accordingly. The dems never promised to release it and Trump RAN on releasing it. Patel even stated himself during Biden's term that the director of the FBI has full access to it and can release it at any time, only to go back on his words now that he's the director of the FBI.

    They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.
    I don't ****ing know what every individual believes, but I posted when the Epstein suicide was fresh that both sides have powerful lobbyists who don't want what Epstein knows out in the open so no one is going to release an honestly record of what Epstein knew. I also stated that the republicans will run on releasing the list and make the dems the 'bad guys' for not releasing it, knowing full well neither of them can. I was right. I

    The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.
    No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. No, when the Panama Papers were exposed and they got away with it they no longer cared about hiding. Everyone knows the Cayman islands and Swiss banking system have lax'd laws that help the super rich shelter money, and yet we never even tried to pass any laws to combat that. CME owns almost a third of the Dow jones and with their joint venture partners own the majority of that market and can manipulate it as they see fit. These aren't conspiracies they're out in the open, but no one seems to care you even see people actively defend the big beautiful bill.

    ****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

    It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

    Thats your filthy side.
    Doing a quick lookup of what made the movie controversial: the movie is based on a book written by a man who did not have the receipts to back up the things he claimed he did. He created a nonprofit of sorts and funneled money to himself, that's about it. The backlash is that if it's all bs and made up under the guise that it's 'based on a true story' it can harm actual organizations that have been battling trafficking for years. Apparently organizations actually combating human/child trafficking have had an influx of volunteers grossly misinformed about its basic realities, and in some cases being resistant to education from actual people while deferring to stuff they “learned” from this movie and other instances of either extremely exceptional cases or straight up conspiracy theories.

    Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.
    Of course the dems try that. It's called politics. Just like when the republicans dared the democrats to release the Epstein list during Biden's term knowing full well neither side can release that. This is your problem. When your side does it "o it's just politics", when the dems do it it's just intellectually dishonest.

    Thats your filthy side.
    You mean actual conservatives? You realize I have actual, real conservative values right? Core values aren't this trickle down abomination Reagan got republicans to believe.

    1) I'm against abortion. But I also am against my tax dollars going to children their own mothers didn't even want, I'm just honest about it. I don't pretend to be a high and mighty christian only to pull free school lunches for the needy like red states.

    2) I'm pro gun. I own 8 and shoot about twice a month. However, road rage shootings and school shootings are definitely a problem so if guns were banned I would understand; but until that day comes I'll enjoy my toys.

    3) I'm pro capitalism.

    4) I'm against federal overreach. I think allowing ice to enter homes without warrants has crossed the line many times over, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baller234 View Post
    "I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

    "Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

    "The stock market is never going to recover..."

    "Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."
    Trump did lose bigly in 2020, despite the unfounded claims and lack of actual evidence to the contrary...to a candidate who was already in steep mental decline. Your boy will lead the GOP to a catastrophic defeat starting in 2026 and finishing in 2028, worse than GWB in 2008. All the Democrats are doing and not saying a thing and giving Trump enough rope to hang himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3lademaster View Post
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but everyone I've spoken with in real life thought the Epstein list should be released and whoever is on it should be punished accordingly. The dems never promised to release it and Trump RAN on releasing it. Patel even stated himself during Biden's term that the director of the FBI has full access to it and can release it at any time, only to go back on his words now that he's the director of the FBI.



    I don't ****ing know what every individual believes, but I posted when the Epstein suicide was fresh that both sides have powerful lobbyists who don't want what Epstein knows out in the open so no one is going to release an honestly record of what Epstein knew. I also stated that the republicans will run on releasing the list and make the dems the 'bad guys' for not releasing it, knowing full well neither of them can. I was right. I



    No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. No, when the Panama Papers were exposed and they got away with it they no longer cared about hiding. Everyone knows the Cayman islands and Swiss banking system have lax'd laws that help the super rich shelter money, and yet we never even tried to pass any laws to combat that. CME owns almost a third of the Dow jones and with their joint venture partners own the majority of that market and can manipulate it as they see fit. These aren't conspiracies they're out in the open, but no one seems to care you even see people actively defend the big beautiful bill.



    Doing a quick lookup of what made the movie controversial: the movie is based on a book written by a man who did not have the receipts to back up the things he claimed he did. He created a nonprofit of sorts and funneled money to himself, that's about it. The backlash is that if it's all bs and made up under the guise that it's 'based on a true story' it can harm actual organizations that have been battling trafficking for years. Apparently organizations actually combating human/child trafficking have had an influx of volunteers grossly misinformed about its basic realities, and in some cases being resistant to education from actual people while deferring to stuff they “learned” from this movie and other instances of either extremely exceptional cases or straight up conspiracy theories.


    Of course the dems try that. It's called politics. Just like when the republicans dared the democrats to release the Epstein list during Biden's term knowing full well neither side can release that. This is your problem. When your side does it "o it's just politics", when the dems do it it's just intellectually dishonest.

    You mean actual conservatives? You realize I have actual, real conservative values right? Core values aren't this trickle down abomination Reagan got republicans to believe.

    1) I'm against abortion. But I also am against my tax dollars going to children their own mothers didn't even want, I'm just honest about it. I don't pretend to be a high and mighty christian only to pull free school lunches for the needy like red states.

    2) I'm pro gun. I own 8 and shoot about twice a month. However, road rage shootings and school shootings are definitely a problem so if guns were banned I would understand; but until that day comes I'll enjoy my toys.

    3) I'm pro capitalism.

    4) I'm against federal overreach. I think allowing ice to enter homes without warrants has crossed the line many times over, for instance.
    oof, what an ether.

    facts>>>party line politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by j3lademaster View Post
    No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me.

    I'll say this about the Illuminati (since you brought it up)... the only way you'll ever believe in it's existence is if you believe in the Supernatural.

    I've seen some supernatural coincidences that go way beyond what man is capable of orchestrating.... Take the pyramids for example. Do you really believe average men built those? They are literally impossible to build.


    So yes, I do believe there are people that engage in secret occult rituals that go beyond our understanding, and I also believe spiritual dark forces tend to operate behind the scenes.

    I'll give you an analogy: Man did not write the Bible, The Holy Spirit possessed Man, and that is how the Bible was produced.

    If that is true... couldn't there be demonic forces that posses man to produce things that go against our own interests? What if Oppenheimer was possessed for example?




    It's hard to debate these conspiracies with non religious types.... because they're always looking at it from a physical man-made perspective... when in reality, it has everything to do with spiritual possession.

    What would possess these types of people to rape little children? These people are playing with the occult, and when you do that... usually sick bizarre behavior is the result.



    I mean c'mon.... I think the Occult Temple on Epstein Island speaks for itself.



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    From my perspective, it's like trying to convince people that Vampires exist.

    Sorry ISH.... but these people are very involved in the Dark Arts.... and Trump is no exception to the rule.

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    I'll also add this fact.... Since I am a level-10 Jedi Master Conspiracy Expert.


    There is a conspiracy theory called: "Lifting the Veil" and it's not one I typically subscribe to...

    But essentially it's like a Serial Killer who wants to get caught.

    I don't think we will ever get the full truth, but if we get something... it's because they wanted to expose an element of this wickedness to the world,

    not because "oops we are so sloppy and f*cked up" .... These Occultists don't make mistakes. It's always theater.

    In the end... the veil might be lifted to such a degree that we all get a glimpse of the evilness we are dealing with.... but again, it will be done in a half-truth purposeful manner.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater View Post
    The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

    No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

    They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

    The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

    ****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

    It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

    Thats your filthy side.


    Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.


    You people are so intellectually dishonest.

    Woah... what the **** do you mean by "you people" ?

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    one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamenz View Post
    one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.
    I wouldn't be sure about that.

    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863


    I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Off the Court View Post
    I wouldn't be sure about that.

    https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863


    I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.
    they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwhey View Post
    they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.
    I think he may be forced to show his hand with this next vote. It is drawn up by a Republican, and we can see others like MTG support it. What will come of that though? Perhaps nothing.

    So if Trump is in fact listed or documented? yeah, the question is THEN WHAT? And maybe you're right. Maybe nothing.

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    Also the Maxwell testimony before Congress is coming. She has said in her past that videos of Trump exist. So we will see what she has to say when asked. Has she been compromised? Very possible. She saw what they did to Epstein, although I am not sure they could do the same to her at this point. Not a soul would buy it. But they could get her down the road, or threaten a family member.

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