so where are the epstein files?

[SouBeachTalents]

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

[Off the Court]

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

Yeah exactly! That video is now making the rounds. And people are starting to now see that Trump himself never really pushed the Epstein stuff, it was just everyone he surrounds himself with.

Which IMO is really scary. Because what that tells us is that everyone around him never even considered that Trump could be implicated and they all literally viewed him as some sin-free messiah. They really bought into all the Q-Anon crap about the evil Democratic pedophile rituals and it never even occurred to them that Trump could be part of that despite having more photos with Epstein than anyone else. It really is very cultish.

[j3lademaster]

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

I never watched Oliver because I assumed he was some liberal quack, but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.

[Baller234]

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

[Off the Court]

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".

[diamenz]

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

i suppose one possibility could be that he didn't learn that he was on the list (in whatever capacity) until he reassumed office and actually had bondi open the files. or in a similar regard, learned that whomever else was on the list, that he then he decided he didn't want implicated for whatever reason.. or said party(s) were subsequently notified and some 'elite agreement' was met. something to that effect.

fly on the oval office wall for real.

[Baller234]

The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".

Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.

[Off the Court]

Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.

I mean, it does feel like none of it was well thought out at all. It's all very messy.

[Off the Court]

Proof of this is what would be in there. Her life was threatened, and Epstein was killed over this.

[ShawkFactory]

I never watched Oliver because I assumed he was some liberal quack, but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.

Nah not really. He's certainly liberal but does a lot more research and is far more thoughtful than your standard MSM folks.

[ZenMaster]

I'm thinking that probably all the video footage is documented, and we just get the documents. Not the actual footage.

The blackmail angle doesn't make sense to me any more given it is all in possession of the FBI. If just Epstein himself has it? Then yeah he can blackmail everyone in it. But the FBI is too big of an organization for everyone in it to be on board. I actually have a buddy in the FBI and he is a legit very good person.

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.

[Baller234]

Sorry guys but John Oliver is very much a liberal quack with TDS who thinks a woman can have a c0ck. He did an entire show just recently about how men competing in women's sports isn't really an issue and how they don't have any physical advantages.

Long after we're all dead this will be the defining moment he's remembered for:

[Off the Court]

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?

I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

[highwhey]

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?



This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.

such a disingenuous logical statement and pathetic tbh.

[ZenMaster]

I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

But what about all the other politicians, businessmen and celebrities who were known to hang out with Epstein and visit his island for the big parties? I know the internet has been scrubbed now and most pics of Epstein left is with him and Trump, but that is what he used to be known for in his latter years.

I think most people on the right feel they don't need to discuss with dem voters about elites having been filmed by Epstein raping kids, because you didn't care to begin with and were totally fine with politicians covering this up.
But with this, if Obama covered it up for Bill, then you really don't need to be focusing on Trump but can instead look at the fall of your own party and try to clean that up. Obama and Biden covered for Bill, then supported Bills wife to be President, then Biden next - and just in this last election you were voting for the candidate supported by Obama.