The charlie kirk shooter was not immigrant or trans or minority, just a WHITE

[Lakers Legend#32]

I have that clown on Ignore. You should do the same. I'm pretty sure he's actually a bot.

Because I hand you your fat ass on a daily basis.

What a p#ssy.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Of course we can count on Trump to unify and calm the country during these difficult times.

Why just today on FOX and Friends.

FOX Host: "How do we fix this country?'

Trump: "I couldn't care less."

[Doomsday Dallas]

LL #32 is just bitter towards white people.


I'm not a hater LL#32.... if I was black I too would resent white people to a certain degree.


But please remember that I have white ancestors that fought and died in the Civil War so your black @ss could experience freedom.


Do I get any reparations for that?




it's 2025.... move the f*ck on with whatever pro-black ideology you have.

You Hate Trump? ok fine... I think he's the antichrist.


Stop hating on white people... and please subscribe to the MLK ideology about content of character.

[ShawkFactory]

At no point in any of the hours of discussions I’d seen over the years involving him did I get the impression that the guy spread hatred. He debated people, sometimes provocatively via his bravado and challenge my position stance at best, and tried to use common sense and apply his own values which to the best of his ability formed ideas that seemed fair or righteous to his values of family, faith and freedoms. He always then allowed people with opposing ideas an opportunity to share their perspectives and respond. You’re lost in this world my friend and I mean that in a deep spiritual sense. You talk about race like it matters more than values and ideas … or your humanity.

I’ll go one further in this guessing game you’ve started since you think you have a point to be made on race. Ideologically you’d have been most accurate pegging me on family rather then race. I speak like a man with a family and a purpose. You don’t speak like any amount of melanin. You speak like a lost man with no family to protect and provide for. Either by choice or by lack of choice. The only other alternative being you aren’t actually a US citizen and the value of border security Charlie Kirk would sometimes discuss means he was aiming for the system to affect you personally. It’s one of those situations that makes you think the way you think. Not your race. Your race doesn’t matter. A novel, alternate idea for you.

I'll preface what I'm about to say with no, I do not believe CK deserved to be killed and I truly do lament for his family. This is never the way and is completely unacceptable. Just saying that for the stupid fvcks on here that will try to say I think he deserved to die.

To the bolded, I don't think this is entirely true and deserves a little context added.

CK was a very skilled unmoderated debater. He was sharp, very confident in a debate and speaking in crowds, and also had a following in said crowds to help him. I do not believe for a second that his intentions were to have honest debate. From my perspective, his purpose was solely to rig the game in his favor to make liberals look stupid and further both his movement and financial value. Very frequently in these "debates" (I say that in quotes because they were again, unmoderated) would cut people off, use strawmen to back people into a corner and shape the conversation in his favor, and then make jabs or use buzzwords to incite his supporters in the crowd.

Any person who isn't as prepared or well-versed in debate as he is is naturally going to be overwhelmed or flustered with these tactics. And why wouldn't they? They don't debate these topic all day every day. He had the natural advantage.

The issue I have is that he and his followers would take his simply winning an argument by overwhelming as a confirmation that liberals don't know shit. No. He was just engaging people who weren't professionals at articulating their points on these issues while adding in some dirty debate tactics. He didn't care about their points, he wanted to make them look stupid and gain followers. It's akin to an NFL team going all out against a D3 school, paying the refs to turn a blind eye to egregious penalties, and then claiming how awesome they are when they dominate.

In summation, he didn't always actually have good points (sometimes he did, particularly with his theological knowledge). He would just overwhelm teenage unskilled debaters. And a lot of the arguments he DID make did not need to be made.

Again..RIP he didn't deserve to die. I didn't appreciate him at all though.

[highwhey]

I'll preface what I'm about to say with no, I do not believe CK deserved to be killed and I truly do lament for his family. This is never the way and is completely unacceptable. Just saying that for the stupid fvcks on here that will try to say I think he deserved to die.

To the bolded, I don't think this is entirely true and deserves a little context added.

CK was a very skilled unmoderated debater. He was sharp, very confident in a debate and speaking in crowds, and also had a following in said crowds to help him. I do not believe for a second that his intentions were to have honest debate. From my perspective, his purpose was solely to rig the game in his favor to make liberals look stupid and further both his movement and financial value. Very frequently in these "debates" (I say that in quotes because they were again, unmoderated) would cut people off, use strawmen to back people into a corner and shape the conversation in his favor, and then make jabs or use buzzwords to incite his supporters in the crowd.

Any person who isn't as prepared or well-versed in debate as he is is naturally going to be overwhelmed or flustered with these tactics. And why wouldn't they? They don't debate these topic all day every day. He had the natural advantage.

The issue I have is that he and his followers would take his simply winning an argument by overwhelming as a confirmation that liberals don't know shit. No. He was just engaging people who weren't professionals at articulating their points on these issues while adding in some dirty debate tactics. He didn't care about their points, he wanted to make them look stupid and gain followers. It's akin to an NFL team going all out against a D3 school, paying the refs to turn a blind eye to egregious penalties, and then claiming how awesome they are when they dominate.

In summation, he didn't always actually have good points (sometimes he did, particularly with his theological knowledge). He would just overwhelm teenage unskilled debaters. And a lot of the arguments he DID make did not need to be made.

Again..RIP he didn't deserve to die. I didn't appreciate him at all though.

this very well explained and accurate. MAGAs can debate this all they want, but Charlie's last words were just exactly this -

question: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

charlie kirk:“Counting or not counting gang violence?”

that was charlie kirk in a nutshell.

[beasted]

this is starting to seem like the more true scenario. apparently one of the carved messages on the casing is related to one of nick fuentes' groups that was anti-charlie kirk.

so again, not a liberal, not a minority. the attack came from within.

They're shitting their pants right now. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, nowhere to look but in the mirror at themselves.

[highwhey]

They're shitting their pants right now. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, nowhere to look but in the mirror at themselves.

that's the Achilles heel of the MAGA movement though, because just like donald, they are incapable of accountability and don't have the self-awareness to look within

[ShawkFactory]

this very well explained and accurate. MAGAs can debate this all they want, but Charlie's last words were just exactly this -



that was charlie kirk in a nutshell.

Correct. And the person speaking to him is immediately left with a WTF as the crowd laughs. And now they're uncomfortable and he's in control.

[highwhey]

Correct. And the person speaking to him is immediately left with a WTF as the crowd laughs. And now they're uncomfortable and he's in control.

yep. it's disingenuous "debate" down to the core. admittedly, he was elite at that but like you said, it was by design and against teens who are already not very sure of themselves, certainly much less in public speaking environments. color me unimpressed.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'll preface what I'm about to say with no, I do not believe CK deserved to be killed and I truly do lament for his family. This is never the way and is completely unacceptable. Just saying that for the stupid fvcks on here that will try to say I think he deserved to die.

To the bolded, I don't think this is entirely true and deserves a little context added.

CK was a very skilled unmoderated debater. He was sharp, very confident in a debate and speaking in crowds, and also had a following in said crowds to help him. I do not believe for a second that his intentions were to have honest debate. From my perspective, his purpose was solely to rig the game in his favor to make liberals look stupid and further both his movement and financial value. Very frequently in these "debates" (I say that in quotes because they were again, unmoderated) would cut people off, use strawmen to back people into a corner and shape the conversation in his favor, and then make jabs or use buzzwords to incite his supporters in the crowd.

Any person who isn't as prepared or well-versed in debate as he is is naturally going to be overwhelmed or flustered with these tactics. And why wouldn't they? They don't debate these topic all day every day. He had the natural advantage.

The issue I have is that he and his followers would take his simply winning an argument by overwhelming as a confirmation that liberals don't know shit. No. He was just engaging people who weren't professionals at articulating their points on these issues while adding in some dirty debate tactics. He didn't care about their points, he wanted to make them look stupid and gain followers. It's akin to an NFL team going all out against a D3 school, paying the refs to turn a blind eye to egregious penalties, and then claiming how awesome they are when they dominate.

In summation, he didn't always actually have good points (sometimes he did, particularly with his theological knowledge). He would just overwhelm teenage unskilled debaters. And a lot of the arguments he DID make did not need to be made.

Again..RIP he didn't deserve to die. I didn't appreciate him at all though.

Of course you didn't like him cause he made your side look stupid.

Do us both a favor and watch more of his videos. I think you all need it.

[Baller234]

no, i just won't be pressured into feeling sorry for a man that spread hate. do you acknowledge the fact that this man essentially danced on the grave of george floyd, as did his viewers and supporters?

so why am i morally corrupt? what is the frame of reference for "spiritually strong"? bc ain't no white nationalist man going to sit out here rage baiting TEENAGERS telling them about fundamental christian values when his close friend is a PDF FILE (trump) and he does not condemn that.

let me guess, you're white? yeah i thought so. well i'm Hispanic and that type of hate speech affects us especially bc as you can so easily see, there are already MAGA mouthbreathers up in arms wanting to get violent against people they deem as the opposition. the racial tension has been building and unfortunately this death will only escalate that. but again, you and other melanin lacking individuals cannot fathom the reality of that.

Because your leaders said so you autistic fagg0t.

You're all alone now. Nobody in your party is endorsing your insane views. What happened to Kirk is a tragedy and you will accept it whether you like or not. So it has been decreed.

Congratulations, you're a violent extremist.

[Baller234]

Of course you didn't like him cause he made your side look stupid.

Do us both a favor and watch more of his videos. I think you all need it.

"He's just better at debating! They were unprepared!..."

Yea, turns out it's a lot harder to debate when your position is 1 + 1 = 3

[highwhey]

Because your leaders said so you autistic fagg0t.

You're all alone now. Nobody in your party is endorsing your insane views. What happened to Kirk is a tragedy and you will accept it whether you like or not. So it has been decreed.

Congratulations, you're a violent extremist.

it is a unfortunate that it happened. i don't think violence is ever the appropriate response for disagreements. but just because he passed, does not mean i magically support his views. if a music artist whose music i don't listen to, passed, i would not suddenly start liking the music.

[Baller234]

it is a unfortunate that it happened. i don't think violence is ever the appropriate response for disagreements. but just because he passed, does not mean i magically support his views. if a music artist whose music i don't listen to, passed, i would not suddenly start liking the music.

You don't condone violence yet when the news first broke that Kirk was shot, you responded with a laughing emoji.

And why would Kirk's death be unfortunate? You said he was an evil white nationalist. You said he spread nothing but hatred. You called him a fascist and a nazi.

Why all of a sudden are you against killing nazis?

[highwhey]

You don't condone violence yet when the news first broke that Kirk was shot, you responded with a laughing emoji.

And why would Kirk's death be unfortunate? You said he was an evil white nationalist. You said he spread nothing but hatred. You called him a fascist and a nazi.

Why all of a sudden are you against killing nazis?

when did i call him a nazi? i said he's a white nationalist. unless you are conflating the two and admitting he was a nazi?

i have never condoned violence against anyone. the closest is me offering to box fatrickchewing, but that would be a friendly sparring match and nothing more. you seem awfully excited over his passing, almost like you're using this tragedy as an opportunity to blame liberals even though they had nothing to do with this. you are a sick human being.