The biggest LeBron hater on YouTube just put Kobe #2 on his top 10 list

[tpols]

Should've been #1.

[Baller234]

Shaq & Duncan were for sure better overall passers than Hakeem.

2000-2005 Shaq would occasional drop some very nice dimes, I remember Wade saying he was surprised at how good of a passer Shaq was when he joined Miami.

I value Hakeem's peak extremely high, but I feel many people overlook the bad of his career and ignore some of his shortcomings.

Hakeem's stock was at an all time low in '91 and '92, he wasn't producing. Forget David Robinson, pretty much everyone ranked Ewing ahead of Hakeem during those seasons.

You're gonna tell me you had 2 centers better than you at one point during your prime, but still be considered a top 5 player ever? lol, no way.

Who tf cares about those random seasons in 91 and 92? It's not like they "leaped" him. By 94 he proved he was better than Ewing beyond a shadow of a doubt and then he proved he was better than Admiral in 95.

Every great player has dark spots on their resume. Tragic Johnson?? That's not how we judge all time greats. Hakeem was good enough and for long enough to not have his worst years held against him imo.

[Nowoco]

People have lost their ****ing minds with Kobe's ranking in recent years.

Before he died, he was out of more top 10s than in them. In the weeks/months after he passed, he started rising to 7-8th or thereabouts.

Now in the last year and with completely straight faces, Kobe being #2 has been said by many people, even some prominent ex-players.

I love Kobe, nothing but respect for him, have a picture of him on my wall. But having him #2 all-time is more insane than putting LeBron 10th or Wilt 50th.

[Hey Yo]

Claiming 80's Rockets would've been a dynasty without even winning a single championship first?

[HoopsNY]

Claiming 80's Rockets would've been a dynasty without even winning a single championship first?

It was spoken of through the years. It's speculation but there's good reason to believe that they would have usurped the Lakers to challenge the Pistons in the finals.

[HoopsNY]

I probably worded that a bit wrong, the problem is the other players you mentioned have a shit tons of titles or MVPs or are not even top 5 at all and a lot of them did not have 5 seasons in a row where they had 1st round exits or missed the playoffs during their prime. Hakeem simply doesn’t have the accolades to be top 5 and to be honest it’s only a matter of time he moves out the top 10, you could make case Curry has surpassed him already.

A bit? Anyway, the other points still stand. I also don't care for longevity statistics. If we're talking about individual careers then sure, but that only became more of a thing in recent years. Otherwise, I don't really care much for it.

The points about his passing are overblown and like his playoff troubles, are overblown.

[ImKobe]

People have lost their ****ing minds with Kobe's ranking in recent years.

Before he died, he was out of more top 10s than in them. In the weeks/months after he passed, he started rising to 7-8th or thereabouts.

Now in the last year and with completely straight faces, Kobe being #2 has been said by many people, even some prominent ex-players.

I love Kobe, nothing but respect for him, have a picture of him on my wall. But having him #2 all-time is more insane than putting LeBron 10th or Wilt 50th.

It doesn't matter, it's a personal preference. More fans have Kobe top 5 than you're going to be happy with. His cultural impact is higher than most and he was good enough to back it up at his best. His stats might not be the prettiest but he was far more entertaining to watch than guys like Duncan. No one outside of the losers on the internet care about the advanced metrics. ESPN had a public poll on Kobe vs. Lebron after Lebron won his 2016 championship and Kobe won that poll by tens of thousands of votes out of like 200 thousand combined at the time. Plenty of people argued Kobe top 5 all-time well before his demise.

[Nowoco]

ESPN had a public poll on Kobe vs. Lebron after Lebron won his 2016 championship and Kobe won that poll by tens of thousands of votes out of like 200 thousand combined at the time. Plenty of people argued Kobe top 5 all-time well before his demise.

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

[1987_Lakers]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

I remember a ESPN poll during the last dance documentary where fans voted MJ as a better passer than LeBron.

[tpols]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

Youre just as clueless as all those you criticize.

Kobe was a GOAT level basketball player period. Whether thats top 5 top 10 top 15 whatever is splitting hairs at the top with how many variables that are at play. Youre simply too arrogant and ignorant to realize that though.

[Nowoco]

Youre just as clueless as all those you criticize.

Kobe was a GOAT level basketball player period. Whether thats top 5 top 10 top 15 whatever is splitting hairs at the top with how many variables that are at play. Youre simply too arrogant and ignorant to realize that though.

This is exactly the kind of deranged stuff I was talking about. I didnt even say where I rank Kobe and you're already frothing at the mouth. It isn't "splitting hairs" to say someone's top 15 as opposed to top 5. It's no exact science either. If someone has Magic 4th or 7th, I'm not mad. I can see the argument either way. But when someone puts Hakeem top 5 or LeBron outside the top 10, that's when someone loses all credibility. All I said was Kobe isnt #2. Not even close. There's no argument for him being top 5. But that's not disrespect. That's the problem, you put a guy 7th and someone's offended that you dared to say only 6 guys ever are better than him. Which is crazy.

[tpols]

It's no exact science either.

Exactly.

Thats why its funny to see you type with such conviction especially as a relative nobody here like we all are.

[1987_Lakers]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Hakeem/Curry

I think that is the current top 10. Curry & Hakeem are a coin flip at this moment. Maybe Hakeem is ahead because he had better peak play and at the moment Curry probably only has a slight edge in longevity. Jokic is coming though, already has the peak play of a top 10 player ever, just needs to longevity.

[Baller234]

Public polls mean absolutely jack shit. Jordan was voted the best college player of all-time and even as an ardent Jordan stan, that was ludicrous. You definitely can't even trust ex players these days so I dont want to hear about "guys who played against him said xxx". They've all got scores to settle or undue biases. Zeke calling Kareem the GOAT, Paul Pierce not having LeBron top 10, KG the same. Shaq having Kobe #2. The analysts also are full of it. Skip Bayless having LeBron 9th or Nick Wright putting Jordan 3rd.

Basically, you can't trust anyone or anything. People don't even believe what they say. But what is fact is that if you have Kobe #2 you're either a deranged stan, some casual who knows nothing about ball, trolling period, or influenced by some other bias. No exceptions.

Jordan is almost unanimously considered #1 and mostly everyone agrees that Kobe is the closest thing we've seen in terms of both skill and psychology. Makes perfect sense why some would put him just behind Jordan.

[Full Court]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Wilt
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Magic
9. Bird
10. Hakeem/Curry

I think that is the current top 10. Curry & Hakeem are a coin flip at this moment. Maybe Hakeem is ahead because he had better peak play and at the moment Curry probably only has a slight edge in longevity. Jokic is coming though, already has the peak play of a top 10 player ever, just needs to longevity.

This is an even lower IQ take than your take on the 2020 Heat being better than the '25 Pacers.