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					  Originally Posted by  ArbitraryWater
					 
				 
				what does Israel have to do with right wing? 
 
Israel isnt based. 
 
The Talmud had 8 genders. 
 
All the gender/queer theory stuff stems from jews (Judith Butler). 
 
Theyre super pro lgbtq. 
 
Jews own a lot of the porn. 
 
Israel is a pedophilia safe haven. 
 
They hate Christ and Christianity. 
 
 
 
BTW: 
All evil people despise God/Jesus. 
 
Its a recurring theme. 
			
		 
	 
 Proof positive that Arby has never traveled and never left his shitty backwater town.   
 
You sound real educated on the topic Arby, you really nailed it. This is exactly how all jewish people think.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  ShawkFactory
					 
				 
				Nobody said anything was okay. Not really the point. 
			
		 
	 
 So then why is "zionist" used as a derogatory term by people who claim to love America? How are we any different?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Baller234
					 
				 
				So then why is "zionist" used as a derogatory term by people who claim to love America? How are we any different? 
			
		 
	 
 Yes. I suppose anyone who was born and lives in this country has no room to talk. 
 
You got me.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Baller234
					 
				 
				So you're okay with America claiming "stolen land" as their own but not Israel. 
			
		 
	 
 so do you support israel 'claiming' land from the mediterranean sea to the jordan river (namely gaza and judea & samaria aka the west bank) as rightfully theirs as well as all that it entails to achieve that goal, in particular the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of palestinians currently residing there?   
 
just to be clear, i'm not making the argument that israel is currently in the process of or are intent on doing so however, it is clearly stated in the likud party's platform that: 
 
"between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". 
 
in other words what i'm asking is, do you believe that land is rightfully theirs (israel's) and if the netanyahu government or other future likud party administrations do indeed take action to fulfill their ideology in completely annexing the west bank as well as ultimately driving palestinians out of gaza by force and subsequently claiming that land with or without our assistance, do you support it, along with the death and destruction that would inarguably be involved in the process?   
 
i get the feeling that you do at least to some extent given your questioning @ ShawkFactory but what i wonder is how far you're willing to go. 
 
or do you believe ultimately in achieving a two state solution where that land is 'shared' in some way or another?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by  ShawkFactory
					 
				 
				Yes. I suppose anyone who was born and lives in this country has no room to talk. 
 
You got me. 
			
		 
	 
 Correct. 
 
It's not just this country though, it's every country. 
 
 
 
I'm not usually one to just post a video and say "watch this", and I disagree with Maher on a lot of things, but he is 100% on the money here and it's really impossible to refute. Things change. It is the history of the world. All of us inherited something that once belonged to someone else. 
 
I have no problem with people being critical of Israel, it's not my country, however I do take issue with hypocrisy. I expect as much from the woke left because that is who they are and they aren't shy about it. They hate Israel but they hate America for the exact same reasons. But when people on the right start to rail on Israel it really exposes their hand. You can't tell me it isn't tied to joo resentment because there's no other explanation. Everything you could say about Israel you could say about America. Israel is FUNDED by America. If one of them is guilty then both of them are.  
 
But the woke right don't have the balls to take it there. They want to distance themselves from everything and just point the finger at Israel. Sorry it doesn't work like that. Our hands are just as dirty. They need to either accept that and STFU or dye their hair pink and start protesting with the woke lefties.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Baller234
					 
				 
				Correct. 
 
It's not just this country though, it's every country. 
 
 
 
I'm not usually one to just post a video and say "watch this", and I disagree with Maher on a lot of things, but he is 100% on the money here and it's really impossible to refute. Things change. It is the history of the world. All of us inherited something that once belonged to someone else. 
 
I have no problem with people being critical of Israel, it's not my country, however I do take issue with hypocrisy. I expect as much from the woke left because that is who they are and they aren't shy about it. They hate Israel but they hate America for the exact same reasons. But when people on the right start to rail on Israel it really exposes their hand. You can't tell me it isn't tied to joo resentment because there's no other explanation. Everything you could say about Israel you could say about America. Israel is FUNDED by America. If one of them is guilty then both of them are.  
 
But the woke right don't have the balls to take it there. They want to distance themselves from everything and just point the finger at Israel. Sorry it doesn't work like that. Our hands are just as dirty. They need to either accept that and STFU or dye their hair pink and start protesting with the woke lefties. 
			
		 
	 
 Okay.. 
 
And what if someone IS critical of the US’s past colonizing and imperialist tactics, and IS critical of their funding of Israel? Does that mean they hate America and shouldn’t live here? 
 
That the only way an American can be critical of Israel in your eyes? Move to a different country?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  ShawkFactory
					 
				 
				Okay.. 
 
And what if someone IS critical of the US’s past colonizing and imperialist tactics, and IS critical of their funding of Israel? Does that mean they hate America and shouldn’t live here? 
 
That the only way an American can be critical of Israel in your eyes? Move to a different country? 
			
		 
	 
 Absolutely. 
 
What is the point in being critical of your country's history if you're not willing to give back what you claim is stolen? If you claim to be living on stolen property, why would you hold onto something that doesn't belong to you? Why not sign over your home and your property to some "indigenous" person? Otherwise you're just another privileged beneficiary of evil colonialism. 
 
Maybe it's because they're a bunch of lying phonies that don't really give a f*ck and it's nothing but empty virtue signaling.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by  Baller234
					 
				 
				Proof positive that Arby has never traveled and never left his shitty backwater town.   
You sound real educated on the topic Arby, you really nailed it. This is exactly how all jewish people think.  
			
		 
	 
 What exactly are you even disputing?   
 
 
You sound like a dumb anecdotal liberal right now. "Its not everyone, I know people who are not like that!"  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  ArbitraryWater
					 
				 
				What exactly are you even disputing?   
You sound like a dumb anecdotal liberal right now. "Its not everyone, I know people who are not like that!"    
			
		 
	 
 I'm saying it's obvious you guys don't get out much and don't travel, because it's weird for a bunch of grown adults your age living in America to have never met a jewish person in real life.  
 
And it shows in the way you talk about them, like they're some unique and rare creature. Like they aren't just normal people like you.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Baller234
					 
				 
				 
 
			
		 
	 
  
That's interesting x8  
 
but what's it got to do with AIPAC?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  diamenz
					 
				 
				so do you support israel 'claiming' land from the mediterranean sea to the jordan river (namely gaza and judea & samaria aka the west bank) as rightfully theirs as well as all that it entails to achieve that goal, in particular the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of palestinians currently residing there?   
 
just to be clear, i'm not making the argument that israel is currently in the process of or are intent on doing so however, it is clearly stated in the likud party's platform that: 
 
"between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". 
 
in other words what i'm asking is, do you believe that land is rightfully theirs (israel's) and if the netanyahu government or other future likud party administrations do indeed take action to fulfill their ideology in completely annexing the west bank as well as ultimately driving palestinians out of gaza by force and subsequently claiming that land with or without our assistance, do you support it, along with the death and destruction that would inarguably be involved in the process?   
 
i get the feeling that you do at least to some extent given your questioning @ ShawkFactory but what i wonder is how far you're willing to go. 
 
or do you believe ultimately in achieving a two state solution where that land is 'shared' in some way or another? 
			
		 
	 
 @Baller234
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Doomsday Dallas
					 
				 
				That's interesting x8  
 
but what's it got to do with AIPAC? 
			
		 
	 
 It doesn't. 
 
I was responding to an argument about labels of zionism. Maybe if you actually read the post you wouldn't have asked this question.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  diamenz
					 
				 
				@Baller234 
			
		 
	 
 Uh, Israel has tried to negotiate a two state solution in the past but all of their efforts were rejected. I am in favor of whichever arrangement brings peace and co-existence in the region. No I do not think Israel should be able to just bully anyone they please and claim land for their own over some thousand year old claim.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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