Chauncey Billiups and Rozier got arrested by the FBI on gambling charges.

[Nowoco]

Billups and whoever he snitches on are cheating people in regular gambling, not sport gambling. Any time there is the potential to gain money there will be corruption because people are greedy. There's no real reason to say one is better than another.

Billups also admitted to tanking (not allowed under NBA rules) and also for providing team information before it was available to the public in order for his cronies to make money. So yes, he was involved in sports gambling.

If or should it be, when, he's convicted of these crimes, he'll be banned from basketball for life, removed from the HoF and likely serve jail time. Depending on exactly how long, how much and how implicit he was in all of the allegations.

[GOBB]

Because if someone loses all their money at the tables, that's their problem. In much the same way if a guy drinks himself out of a job.

But as we have seen repeatedly over years, gambling on sport leads to rampant corruption which affects the entire sport's integrity. There's corruption everywhere but none more damaging than guys fixing games. Make no mistake about it, feigning injury to leave a game early is fixing a game just as much as a deliberate turnover with the game on the line. There are no levels. You're either on the straight and narrow or your fixing games.

No-one's trying to stop anyone from gambling but sports betting opens far too many avenues to destroying the sport. As we have seen and will see even worse if nothing is done. Hiding behind "we should have the right to do it" is a fallacy. By that logic, tobacco companies should still have the right to advertise.

Billups was involved in illegal poker games that scammed people for millions. Gilbert (not accusing him) rented out his property where someone uses it to host illegal poker games. Nothing sports related outside of them being athletes. Not saying Billups wasn’t involved sports betting either. Illegal card games are also at the root of it all. Card games played at…casinos.

Casinos also use technology to their advantage to get over on people. But I don’t want to get into that as I don’t have enough knowledge/information to argue it. I’m just in the belief that they cheat just not in direct ways we seem to think.

Gambling is all the same to me. And with money comes greed. It’s the root of all evil. Even law abiding citizens who don’t even have a parking ticket let alone a criminal history are prone to make a bad decision based on making a couple dollars. Even if they don’t need it. And I say all that to say casinos being regulated the way they are doesn’t make me not question the integrity when big money is involved.

[Nowoco]

Casinos also use technology to their advantage to get over on people.

Casinos don't need to cheat. If there's people in them, they're making money.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Billups also admitted to tanking (not allowed under NBA rules) and also for providing team information before it was available to the public in order for his cronies to make money. So yes, he was involved in sports gambling.

If or should it be, when, he's convicted of these crimes, he'll be banned from basketball for life, removed from the HoF and likely serve jail time. Depending on exactly how long, how much and how implicit he was in all of the allegations.

The point being that there are plenty of poker games and other forms of gambling going on where cheating happens that makes it just another kind of theft. If you lose a million on a fixed basketball score instead of a rigged poker game why is one better than the other?

[GOBB]

Casinos don't need to cheat. If there's people in them, they're making money.

They don’t need to cheat. The question is do you think they do anyway? I do.

[GOBB]

The point being that there are plenty of poker games and other forms of gambling going on where cheating happens that makes it just another kind of theft. If you lose a million on a fixed basketball score instead of a rigged poker game why is one better than the other?

Bingo. I’d like to know the answer to that

[FultzNationRISE]

The point being that there are plenty of poker games and other forms of gambling going on where cheating happens that makes it just another kind of theft. If you lose a million on a fixed basketball score instead of a rigged poker game why is one better than the other?

It's real simple little boy.

A poker game involves 5 or 6 people at a table. A poker game puts a very small limit on the number of potential victims.

Cheating in sports betting means you are gaining an advantage over possibly thousands of other people across many states who could be betting at a disadvantage.

The size of the crime is much bigger in sports betting. There are more potential victims. More dollars on the line. The integrity of an entire sports league providing many jobs at stake.

Do you think you can understand that?

[Kblaze8855]

And you can jump off the top of a building and die. You can drown in a swimming pool. Heck, you can die just by drinking too much water at once. Does that make gambling ok? Should we just legalize murder at that point?

I feel like you need to read what you said and decide if you need to edit it. The end of that has nothing to do with the start.

gambling is OK because it’s nobody’s ****ing business what you do with your money. You can bet on the Knicks or you can bet on crypto. Not my place to stop you and not the governments either.

Comparing it to…murder?

Just…be for real please. I’ll talk about it but ask real questions if you want real answers.

Talking about legalizing murder…

The issue is potential danger and harm to society as justification for stripping rights to make decisions for yourself and you talking about legalizing murder….

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's real simple little boy.

A poker game involves 5 or 6 people at a table. A poker game puts a very small limit on the number of potential victims.

Cheating in sports betting means you are gaining an advantage over possibly thousands of other people across many states who could be betting at a disadvantage.

The size of the crime is much bigger in sports betting. There are more potential victims. More dollars on the line. The integrity of an entire sports league providing many jobs at stake.

Do you think you can understand that?

A mugging has one one victim. Does that mean muggings are less important than rigged basketball games? The people that were using Billups perpetrated this crime several times over. They may not have hit as many total victims but the crime is similar in nature and still went for tens maybe even hundreds of millions.

[warriorfan]

A mugging has one one victim. Does that mean muggings are less important than rigged basketball games? The people that were using Billups perpetrated this crime several times over. They may not have hit as many total victims but the crime is similar in nature and still went for tens maybe even hundreds of millions.

You are in a strong running for overtaking Gobb as the most nerdy white boy on the forum.

God damn. Props.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You are in a strong running for overtaking Gobb as the most nerdy white boy on the forum.

God damn. Props.

You forgot to call me a beaner.

[GOBB]

You are in a strong running for overtaking Gobb as the most nerdy white boy on the forum.

God damn. Props.

I’m black, I’m fat, I’m white, I’m short. You’re all over the place.

[tpols]

White collar federal crime...even he gets a long sentence it won't be "hard time".

Chauncey gonna be running shit in there like Big Baby Davis.





Another recent NBA player in prison for financial fraud.

[FultzNationRISE]

A mugging has one one victim. Does that mean muggings are less important than rigged basketball games? The people that were using Billups perpetrated this crime several times over. They may not have hit as many total victims but the crime is similar in nature and still went for tens maybe even hundreds of millions.

A mugging takes place in one jurisdiction. So it's not gonna involve the feds in the first place. Moreover it doensnt jeopardize a giant industry that pays big taxes and employs a lot of people.

Sports betting is pretty much the complete opposite. Many people, multiple jurisdictions, big industry, lots at stake.

And yes, the poker thing also involved some of that... hence the indictments on the poker games too. But it doesnt compare to pro sports in terms of public relevance.

[FultzNationRISE]

Sports are an ENORMOUS social institution that collectively produce a lot of tax revenue, supply a lot of jobs, and frankly distract people enough to maintain some social order.

If you go jeopardizing the public's interest in sports by compromising the competitive integrity... the G's are gonna come for you.

The real G's.

The O-G's.

The Government.