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							Antonio Gates was the ex NFL HOF player who too was rigging games. Not sure if posted or I mentioned it yesterday.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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Caveat: Tracked only since 2006.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  JohnnySic
					 
				 
				 
Caveat: Tracked only since 2006.  
			
		 
	 
 Pretty insane but I hate to be that guy but would like to get a back up of sources.  
 
Also this stat seems impressive but when it comes to a lot of these metrics we come up with, does it actusllly equal any type of translate-able skill? Looking at it it seems like the only guys who excel at this metric are mid. So that to me shows that it’s not a great indicator of skill level/greatness
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							This is why Belichick usually whiffed in drafts when it came to selecting offensive players. Besides Gronk, I can't think of any decent offensive playmakers he drafted in the first 5 rounds while with the Pats. He kinda lucked out with Brady & Edelman in super late rounds. He was particularly garbage at drafting WRs. He is the greatest head coach ever and I thought he did a great job at managing the salary cap by cutting noticeable players without hurting the team, but his drafting of offensive playmakers were bad. 
 
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							I went back through the Pats drafts and the only guys you could consider playmakers under Bill were Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Shane Vereen and James White. Other than that, yea he whiffed a lot. He was pretty good at drafting linemen.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Wally450
					 
				 
				I went back through the Pats drafts and the only guys you could consider playmakers under Bill were Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Shane Vereen and James White. Other than that, yea he whiffed a lot. He was pretty good at drafting linemen. 
			
		 
	 
 I forgot about Hernandez. 4th round pick, shame he couldn't keep his head straight. 
 
Sony Michel was drafted in the 1st. Had that nice playoff run one year, but besides that he busted. Had a chance to draft his teammate Nick Chubb who went on to be one of the best RB in the league for a few seasons, but passed on him. 
 
Laurence Maroney was another RB they drafted in the 1st way back in like 2006, also a bust.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							Demario Douglas is a midget
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							Bears-Bengals just had one of the craziest endings.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							Joe really should get resigned to the Ravens in the offseason and be declared official backup for the remainder of Jackson's career. 
 
Joe can probablly play QB till he's 90 
 
 
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  1987_Lakers
					 
				 
				Bears-Bengals just had one of the craziest endings. 
			
		 
	 
 Yup, Bears D made Flacco look like the GOAT QB, Cincy only had 17 seconds on their last drive and no time outs, had they had a minute with one time out, they definitely score a TD  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							The "GOAT" Mahomes had a 44% completion rating...oooffff
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							SF is looking like the place where QBs go to revive their careers. Darnold went from bust to now a solid starter in this league after his time in SF. Mac Jones is currently playing well for SF after having some rough seasons prior.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  TheMan
					 
				 
				Yup, Bears D made Flacco look like the GOAT QB, Cincy only had 17 seconds on their last drive and no time outs, had they had a minute with one time out, they definitely score a TD    
			
		 
	 
 In fairness to Joe... 
 
Bears - 460/4/2 109.4 
Jets - 223/2/0 100.6 
Steelers - 342/3/0 108.2 
 
He'd have 0 interceptions if his receiver could keep is foot in on a relatively easy pass in the endzone.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							Flacco going to the hall of really good players. Congrats  
 
 
 
Eagles just traded for edge rusher J.Phillips for a 3rd. Added CB Jaire Alexander. Eagles still have 8 draft picks next draft. Howie is legend.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
		 
		
		
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
			
				 
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