Jordan Speaks On Load Managing

[bdonovan]

Nonsense. MJ has trouble walking? Where at? And MJ also gained quite a bit of weight. He’s not active in sports. Probably doesn’t weight train much. He drinks alcohol and eats more food than he used too as an athlete. You trying to pin his physical condition and health based on not load managing is hilarious.

Riddle me this. When embiid and George get to be MJ age. They will be in better shape/condition? I want to see ll these load managed athletes at MJ age walking away just fine. If anything I’d say basketball athletes when they retire are in bad shape compared to say football players. And football players don’t load manage while playing a violent sport.

Load managing is bogus. Keep making excuses tho

I debated whether this was worth responding to. I doubt you will learn a thing but for the benefit of others: Jordan's physical troubles started in his last playing years- knee tendinitis, wrist tendinitis.

Jordan had arthroscopic surgery to repair torn cartilage; had had fluid drained from the knee multiple times that season. Classic long-term load issues for a high-usage athlete.

He said in an interview recently he hasn't picked up a ball in 3 years for risk of injury, which means his body is in bad shape. That's not a concern from "eating too much" but an injured body; as pointed out, the pressure he put on his body resulted in his surgeries, need for draining his knees etc.

I fully realize there are those who emotionally reject "load management", but for those who want to read more about the science and practical need for it, have a look at:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ment-know-know

and this summarized scientific abstract:

https://www.arthroscopyjournal.org/a...59-2/fulltext?

"Safeguarding athlete health is of paramount importance. To promote career longevity and mitigate injury, medical staff must be aware of the factors that contribute to season-ending injuries (SEIs). Menon, Morikawa, Tummala, Buckner-Petty, and Chhabra3 must be commended for their efforts in their original article titled “The Primary Risk Factors for Season-Ending Injuries in Professional Basketball Are Minutes Played Per Game and Later Season Games.” Under the context of assisting clinicians in establishing preventative measures, the authors took a giant leap in discovering the answer to a question pondered by basketball enthusiasts—clinicians and fans alike: How can we prevent SEIs?

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Nagle et al.13 conducted a study investigating nearly 17 million athlete exposures and nearly 20,000 lower-extremity injuries at a high school level of competition and found a greater predominance of injuries in the second half of games. They attributed this phenomenon to fatigue, microtrauma, and diminished lower-leg kinematics....Managing the workload of NBA players may have numerous player benefits, and athlete workload must be carefully managed to carefully preserve their athletic capacity for more “meaningful” games (e.g., postseason)"

[bdonovan]

Who cares if he could ball at 60? 95% of regular people cant play pick up at that age. Its a young mans game and you give it your all while you can. If he had this soft ass attitude saving himself for 60 he wouldn't be the GOAT.

I think you might be missing the point. His body is in such bad shape, he doesn't even dare go on the court for fear of injury. His knees were in terrible shape on the Wizards, and it's gotten worse. Where do you think that comes from? The cumulative toll on the body from exertion.

Maybe as fans we don't care if players are a wreck in their older years- after all, we squeezed all the entertainment we could get from them during their prime.

[ShawkFactory]

I think you might be missing the point. His body is in such bad shape, he doesn't even dare go on the court for fear of injury. His knees were in terrible shape on the Wizards, and it's gotten worse. Where do you think that comes from? The cumulative toll on the body from exertion.

Maybe as fans we don't care if players are a wreck in their older years- after all, we squeezed all the entertainment we could get from them during their prime.

It's part of the job. These dudes now get paid an absurd amount of money to play basketball.

They know, or at least should know, what they've signed up for. It is entertainment at the end of the day and without the entertaining of fans they don't get paid stupid money.

If you're a player and feel differently? Go get your MBA then.

[ShawkFactory]

I think you might be missing the point. His body is in such bad shape, he doesn't even dare go on the court for fear of injury. His knees were in terrible shape on the Wizards, and it's gotten worse. Where do you think that comes from? The cumulative toll on the body from exertion.

Maybe as fans we don't care if players are a wreck in their older years- after all, we squeezed all the entertainment we could get from them during their prime.

It's part of the job. These dudes now get paid an absurd amount of money to play basketball.

They know, or at least should know, what they've signed up for. It is entertainment at the end of the day and without the entertaining of fans they don't get paid stupid money.

If you're a player and feel differently? Go get your MBA then.

[Baller234]

Why should the NBA cut it's schedule significantly back when every other major sport has upped their regular season games?

NFL will soon be 18 games.

NHL is going to 84 games.

Why is 82 games so acquainted for the NBA but not for the other sports?

The NFL is a bad example. For one not everyone was thrilled when they increased the season to 17 games.

In the NFL divisions actually matter and less teams make it to the playoffs, so reg season games carry weight and significance. Unlike the NBA those games feel like they have actual stakes. If teams are load managing it's because it's the end of the season and they've already clinched, so maybe you have 1-2 games max to close out the season that a few teams might technically "throw".

The NBA is cool to watch for the first 2 weeks because you're excited to have basketball back, but that novelty wears off real quick. The season feels like one giant exhibition and none of these games feel like they have any stakes. Diluted product.

[bdonovan]

It's part of the job. These dudes now get paid an absurd amount of money to play basketball.

They know, or at least should know, what they've signed up for. It is entertainment at the end of the day and without the entertaining of fans they don't get paid stupid money.

If you're a player and feel differently? Go get your MBA then.

We tend to dismiss the suffering of the rich. Jealousy may play a role in our callousness. We tell ourselves they shouldn't complain because they have enough in the bank, knowing full well money doesn't buy happiness.

In the end, they're just people like the rest of us. I'd forfeit some of my amusement if say Curry sat several games or played less in the 2nd half (in the regular season), knowing he won't be limping around the rest of his life.

[ShawkFactory]

We tend to dismiss the suffering of the rich. Jealousy may play a role in our callousness. We tell ourselves they shouldn't complain because they have enough in the bank, knowing full well money doesn't buy happiness.

In the end, they're just people like the rest of us. I'd forfeit some of my amusement if say Curry sat several games or played less in the 2nd half (in the regular season), knowing he won't be limping around the rest of his life.

In most cases, obtaining enormous wealth not only requires exceptional talent but choices and sacrifice. Professional athletes, whether they know it or not, have made sacrifices to entertain. Many may not have this perspective, they do it for the love of the game, love of competition, or whatever the case may be. But the model, at it's core, does not work without you and I.

So yes, while I recognize that they are just people like everyone else and don't wish suffering on anyone, I believe that athletes ignoring you and I is what's callous. They've chosen to put their body on the line to entertain fans for money.

It's not as simple as "they're rich so I don't care". It's why their rich. Jordan is right...they literally OWE us to play if they can.

[GOBB]

I think you might be missing the point. His body is in such bad shape, he doesn't even dare go on the court for fear of injury. His knees were in terrible shape on the Wizards, and it's gotten worse. Where do you think that comes from? The cumulative toll on the body from exertion.

Maybe as fans we don't care if players are a wreck in their older years- after all, we squeezed all the entertainment we could get from them during their prime.

Are you his professional doctor? Or you just exaggerating to try and make a point older athletes suffer physical ailments that if they didn’t play so many games wouldn’t? Such a juvenile take. Do you hear physical laborers of any occupation saying they should work less days? Less hours? While maintaining their salary because one day they will retire and want to preserve their bodies? You don’t care is what I hear? Oh ok. Wild part is the avg every day working American doing jobs that batter your body don’t even have the resources athletes do to counter, treat their bodies. Be it time, money, other obligations. And that’s not to say the avg joe can’t. But the hurdles they face are more than that of a pro athlete.

So sorry fans don’t want to hear dudes crying about too many games. People complain Monday morning about going to the same job. Suck it up and ready for this? DO YOUR JOB.

I’ve seen countless videos of MJ enjoying the fruits of his labor. Riding private jets, partying in private islands. All smiles walking around with a cigar in hand or mouth. Reading your posts the mofo is crippled and needs a walker. What’s noticeable about MJ is he ballooned in weight and anyone with common sense knows being overweight puts a lot of pressure on your knees. The avg joe experiences this. First thing a doctor tells you when you cry about knees is “change diet, lose weight, lift weights, exercise (move)”. MJ himself says he loves to drink and he eats like crap. Which explains the big gut. Which contributes to his knees. Cut the crap man.

[Nowoco]

Athletes being concerned with how they walk later in life is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Firstly, there is zero evidence whatsoever that load management has ANY effect on the regularity of injuries. Secondly and more importantly, being a rich, famous and adored star athlete more than makes for a dodgy knee when you're 60. That's the understatement of century in fact.

I will never understand people who worry about what they will be doing or what they'll be able to do when they're much older. It's ludicrous. Do everything you can right now. There is no point in preparing for an age that one, sucks and two, you might not even reach. Imagine you load managed, negatively affected your career either through reputation, money or achievement just so you can walk great when you're 65 but then have a heart attack at 50. What is the point of having a life if you don't ****ing live? If I kick the bucket at 50, I'll know in my head that I did pretty much everything I wanted to within reason and will have no regrets and I doubt a single one of the players who has a limp does either.

[tpols]

I think you might be missing the point. His body is in such bad shape, he doesn't even dare go on the court for fear of injury. His knees were in terrible shape on the Wizards, and it's gotten worse. Where do you think that comes from? The cumulative toll on the body from exertion.

Maybe as fans we don't care if players are a wreck in their older years- after all, we squeezed all the entertainment we could get from them during their prime.

Bro do you think if Kblaze had the chance at being the GOAT he'd be sitting shit out and wasting his prime so he could have more limber knees when he went on his luxury cruising tour as an old man?

**** that.

He and all of we would rather die in battle and go to Valhalla as warriors. Just like Mike. Some of yall just might be b!tches no offense.

[Full Court]

Bro do you think if Kblaze had the chance at being the GOAT he'd be sitting shit out and wasting his prime so he could have more limber knees when he went on his luxury cruising tour as an old man?

**** that.

He and all of we would rather die in battle and go to Valhalla as warriors. Just like Mike. Some of yall just might be b!tches no offense.

Exactly.

And you wouldn't see 3ball sitting out like a p***Y. He'd be right there in the mix, dunking on fools.

[FultzNationRISE]

So just play less gam-

Actually you know what? Throw another 30 games on the schedule.

The fans are good for it.

[rmt]

Do some of you have sympathy for people's whose work is hard labor and possible physical problems later on? Or repetitive motions causing carpal tunnel syndrome? Or people who work outdoors getting skin cancer? etc, etc, etc? Basketball players are getting paid a LOT of money to perform. Along with that is the expectation that they are going to WORK HARD AND GIVE MAXIMUM EFFORT. That is the expectation of everyone who works at ANY job - much less for the millions these players get.

I am tired of the babying and pampering - a normal fan cannot spend his money going to a regular season game and not fear that his favorite player will be sitting (unless it's a playoff game). When Kawhi can't play an entire season to even TRY for an MVP (after having bagged 2 FMVP [very limited 7 game max]), it's making the entire 82 game season a joke. Just squeak into the playoffs (where everything's reset 0-0) and go max effort. Another reason why it's so difficult to compare eras when stars used to average 38-40 minutes an entire season plus 40+ mins in playoffs vs what's going on now.

[Full Court]

Do some of you have sympathy for people's whose work is hard labor and possible physical problems later on? Or repetitive motions causing carpal tunnel syndrome? Or people who work outdoors getting skin cancer? etc, etc, etc? Basketball players are getting paid a LOT of money to perform. Along with that is the expectation that they are going to WORK HARD AND GIVE MAXIMUM EFFORT. That is the expectation of everyone who works at ANY job - much less for the millions these players get.

I am tired of the babying and pampering - a normal fan cannot spend his money going to a regular season game and not fear that his favorite player will be sitting (unless it's a playoff game). When Kawhi can't play an entire season to even TRY for an MVP (after having bagged 2 FMVP [very limited 7 game max]), it's making the entire 82 game season a joke. Just squeak into the playoffs (where everything's reset 0-0) and go max effort. Another reason why it's so difficult to compare eras when stars used to average 38-40 minutes an entire season plus 40+ mins in playoffs vs what's going on now.

Spot on. Jordan's in his 60s. Pretty much everybody's body is breaking down by then - not just people who played pro sports. They're getting paid a ton for it, and if they don't like what they have to put their body through to be a pro baller, than choose a different profession. Nobody owes them any sympathy.

[tpols]

Do some of you have sympathy for people's whose work is hard labor and possible physical problems later on? Or repetitive motions causing carpal tunnel syndrome? Or people who work outdoors getting skin cancer? etc, etc, etc? Basketball players are getting paid a LOT of money to perform. Along with that is the expectation that they are going to WORK HARD AND GIVE MAXIMUM EFFORT. That is the expectation of everyone who works at ANY job - much less for the millions these players get.

I am tired of the babying and pampering - a normal fan cannot spend his money going to a regular season game and not fear that his favorite player will be sitting (unless it's a playoff game). When Kawhi can't play an entire season to even TRY for an MVP (after having bagged 2 FMVP [very limited 7 game max]), it's making the entire 82 game season a joke. Just squeak into the playoffs (where everything's reset 0-0) and go max effort. Another reason why it's so difficult to compare eras when stars used to average 38-40 minutes an entire season plus 40+ mins in playoffs vs what's going on now.

The crazy thing is alot of these guys aren't hurt. Kawhi is not hurt. He never tore or broke anything. Theyre just milking the system for their billion dollar reparations. Straight up. I dont mean to be racist but honestly **** these nigg@s.