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10-28-2025, 12:28 PM
#451
Re: NFL Season 2025
Antonio Gates was the ex NFL HOF player who too was rigging games. Not sure if posted or I mentioned it yesterday.
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10-28-2025, 05:22 PM
#452
Re: NFL Season 2025

Caveat: Tracked only since 2006.
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10-29-2025, 03:22 AM
#453
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: NFL Season 2025
 Originally Posted by JohnnySic
Caveat: Tracked only since 2006.
Pretty insane but I hate to be that guy but would like to get a back up of sources.
Also this stat seems impressive but when it comes to a lot of these metrics we come up with, does it actusllly equal any type of translate-able skill? Looking at it it seems like the only guys who excel at this metric are mid. So that to me shows that it’s not a great indicator of skill level/greatness
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10-30-2025, 10:43 PM
#454
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: NFL Season 2025
This is why Belichick usually whiffed in drafts when it came to selecting offensive players. Besides Gronk, I can't think of any decent offensive playmakers he drafted in the first 5 rounds while with the Pats. He kinda lucked out with Brady & Edelman in super late rounds. He was particularly garbage at drafting WRs. He is the greatest head coach ever and I thought he did a great job at managing the salary cap by cutting noticeable players without hurting the team, but his drafting of offensive playmakers were bad.
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Re: NFL Season 2025
I went back through the Pats drafts and the only guys you could consider playmakers under Bill were Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Shane Vereen and James White. Other than that, yea he whiffed a lot. He was pretty good at drafting linemen.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: NFL Season 2025
 Originally Posted by Wally450
I went back through the Pats drafts and the only guys you could consider playmakers under Bill were Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Shane Vereen and James White. Other than that, yea he whiffed a lot. He was pretty good at drafting linemen.
I forgot about Hernandez. 4th round pick, shame he couldn't keep his head straight.
Sony Michel was drafted in the 1st. Had that nice playoff run one year, but besides that he busted. Had a chance to draft his teammate Nick Chubb who went on to be one of the best RB in the league for a few seasons, but passed on him.
Laurence Maroney was another RB they drafted in the 1st way back in like 2006, also a bust.
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Re: NFL Season 2025
Demario Douglas is a midget
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: NFL Season 2025
Bears-Bengals just had one of the craziest endings.
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Re: NFL Season 2025
Joe really should get resigned to the Ravens in the offseason and be declared official backup for the remainder of Jackson's career.
Joe can probablly play QB till he's 90
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Re: NFL Season 2025
 Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
Bears-Bengals just had one of the craziest endings.
Yup, Bears D made Flacco look like the GOAT QB, Cincy only had 17 seconds on their last drive and no time outs, had they had a minute with one time out, they definitely score a TD
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Re: NFL Season 2025
The "GOAT" Mahomes had a 44% completion rating...oooffff
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: NFL Season 2025
SF is looking like the place where QBs go to revive their careers. Darnold went from bust to now a solid starter in this league after his time in SF. Mac Jones is currently playing well for SF after having some rough seasons prior.
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Re: NFL Season 2025
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Re: NFL Season 2025
 Originally Posted by TheMan
Yup, Bears D made Flacco look like the GOAT QB, Cincy only had 17 seconds on their last drive and no time outs, had they had a minute with one time out, they definitely score a TD 
In fairness to Joe...
Bears - 460/4/2 109.4
Jets - 223/2/0 100.6
Steelers - 342/3/0 108.2
He'd have 0 interceptions if his receiver could keep is foot in on a relatively easy pass in the endzone.
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Re: NFL Season 2025
Flacco going to the hall of really good players. Congrats
Eagles just traded for edge rusher J.Phillips for a 3rd. Added CB Jaire Alexander. Eagles still have 8 draft picks next draft. Howie is legend.
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