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[warriorfan]

Can’t question a move because someone has a job? That has never been the point of anyone with 2 brain cells. The issue is if someone is more informed because they have the job. Fans have always acted like they know better when something doesn’t work and almost 100% of them are clueless about even the basics.

And the Beal situation is actually a pretty good example of it.


A bunch of people on the Internet, who thought they understood big picture implications of a situation they knew nothing about. We’re telling me if the wizard signed Bill to that deal it would be an albatross that destroys the franchise. Me and others were adamant that if they didn’t want him, they would just get out of it for something in return.

what happens? They don’t end up having to pay the contract because they did exactly what we said they could do and flipped him within two weeks of it being leaked that they were going to do it and got a bunch of pic swaps that will still have them Getting paid four years from now.

The sons are playing team and probably won’t make the playoffs. The wizard and sons will likely both be in the lottery. The sun could jump into the top two while the wizards get number nine and the wizards just get to swap with them. And again two years from now. And again after that. One of the years between is complicated because of an existing pick swap with the Nets But one thing is for certain.

They signed him to a giant contract didn’t have to pay any of it and profit from the whole Thing While a bunch of know nothing know it all on the Internet swore it would be the downfall of the entire franchise.

it did literally nothing but good for the wizards. Not figuratively. Literally nothing came out of it, but extra pics and the ability to swap picks with a likely lottery team over the next four or five years.

absolutely zero downside. Pure profit. But prideful idiots on the Internet are so sold on the idea of their own brilliance they take the Factual gain from signing that deal and try to twist it into them being right Because an entirely separate team isn’t good…. When the team that signed the deal profits from that other team, not being good.

They will literally still be able to take the suns pick in the first round In 2030. That’s how long they stand to benefit.

The Bradley Beal deal resulted in no money spent for the wizards on that extension. And advantages in the draft still happening eight years after it was signed.

For years, the rebuilding suns are gonna be sitting at that lottery table, hoping they don’t get a good pick because the camera is just gonna pan to the elated wizards executive who gets to take from them.

But by all means, tell me how smart fans are who read Tweets and assume they really have a grasp on the Situation.

Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.

Another idiot GM traded for him.

These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them

[tontoz]

Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?

Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.

I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.

Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.

Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:

-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka

What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.

Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.

We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.

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Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.

Another idiot GM traded for him.

These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them

That is exactly what happened. Nothing more or less.

Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?

Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.

I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.

Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.

Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:

-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka

What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.

Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.

We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.

Facts.

[tontoz]

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[Kblaze8855]

Bradley Beal got signed to one of the most toxic contracts in NBA history by an idiot GM.

Another idiot GM traded for him.

These morons are a dime a dozen, stop simping for them

Tell me please, what makes a GM an idiot for signing a contract his team didn’t have to pay that was easily traded for things that Put the team in better position going forward than simply not signing it and not having another likely lottery teams picks at your disposal until 2030?

The fact that you were wrong to assume that’s how it would go while plenty of people were telling you that that’s exactly what they could do if they felt like it?

Every time one of these things happens I try to tell you people how historically it takes years for the ramifications to shake out. Five years from now, the suns are going to be Watching an unprotected pic go to the wizards over some shit from eight years previous.

There’s a pick swap with some conditions for this year. And in 2028.

For years and years and years The wizards are waiting in the wings to take draft picks from a likely rebuilding franchise that’s gonna keep taking big swings, trying to avoid the embarrassment of handing over a top three pick…or two.

they might end up losing two Hall of Famer’s to the wizards. Or two role players.

nobody can say. What we can say? They didn’t have to pay the money. They successfully traded the deal and got long-term value.

It was 300 post about a supposedly inevitable albatross that never became one and the only issue going forward is exactly Who they get with the draft capital.

But fans need to feel smart is so strong that years later when the original question is already settled and the team that signed the contract not only didn’t pay it, but traded it for value you cling to the idea that you should’ve been right and disregard that you weren’t.

And that’s the core of the issue. Fans are so attached to the idea that they know what they’re talking about they don’t care what actually happens.

because it isn’t about the results. It’s just about feeling smart.

[tontoz]

Tell me please, what makes a GM an idiot for signing a contract his team didn’t have to pay that was easily traded for things that Put the team in better position going forward than simply not signing it and not having another likely lottery teams picks at your disposal until 2030?

The fact that you were wrong to assume that’s how it would go while plenty of people were telling you that that’s exactly what they could do if they felt like it?

Every time one of these things happens I try to tell you people how historically it takes years for the ramifications to shake out. Five years from now, the suns are going to be Watching an unprotected pic go to the wizards over some shit from eight years previous.

There’s a pick swap with some conditions for this year. And in 2028.

For years and years and years The wizards are waiting in the wings to take draft picks from a likely rebuilding franchise that’s gonna keep taking big swings, trying to avoid the embarrassment of handing over a top three pick…or two.

they might end up losing two Hall of Famer’s to the wizards. Or two role players.

nobody can say. What we can say? They didn’t have to pay the money. They successfully traded the deal and got long-term value.

It was 300 post about a supposedly inevitable albatross that never became one and the only issue going forward is exactly Who they get with the draft capital.

But fans need to feel smart is so strong that years later when the original question is already settled and the team that signed the contract not only didn’t pay it, but traded it for value you cling to the idea that you should’ve been right and disregard that you weren’t.

And that’s the core of the issue. Fans are so attached to the idea that they know what they’re talking about they don’t care what actually happens.

because it isn’t about the results. It’s just about feeling smart.

So why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to spend $100 million to buy him out if he was so easy to trade?

[Kblaze8855]

Why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to buy him out?

Either you have a really bad memory or you are trying to rewrite the argument.

I said at the time that Beal wasn't that good and the Wizards couldn't win with him so signing him was just a committment to being a treadmill team. Mgt obviously thought otherwise since they paid him the supermax with a no trade clause. Did they sign him to that contract expecting to lose? I seriously doubt it.

Their record the following season with Beal and KP having a career year was 35-47. They went all in to be a borderline playoff team and couldnt even clear that low bar.

Being lucky and good are two different things. The wizards made an idiotic signing showing their committment to mediocrity. Then two things changed. First the Wizards rightfully fired the management team that gave Beal that contract. Then the Suns got a new owner that had no clue about basketball and we were lucky enough to dump Beal's contract on him. This is actually becoming a common occurence, a new owner coming in and screwing their own franchise:

-Nets trading for an aging Pierce/KG
-Balmer trading SGA and pics for PG13
-Mavs new owners trading Luka

What happened when the Suns tried to trade Beal? No luck because they couldn't find another idiotic new owner to take on that deal. Beal literally blew up the Suns franchise that showed promise taking the Nuggets to 6 games in the playoffs, the only team to get to game 6 against the Nuggets during their title run.

Many of us predicted that the Beal would be a disaster for the Suns and it's been exactly that. They were forced to buy him out because they couldn't trade him.

We didn't even get one 1st round pick for Beal. All we got are pick swaps the first of which was worthless in '24. The one in '28 has some extra conditions on it.

so more talk about how they would have been wrong if the world were different…


The wizards did not pay the money. It took them two weeks to trade him, which was actually even faster than I told you it would take if they ever decided to do it. It ended up being absolutely zero impediment for years of potential pick swaps with a bad team.

and the funny thing about the no trade clause is the big trade the suns had the opportunity to make was vetoed by Kevin Durant who didn’t have a no trade clause.

Not that anything in Phoenix has anything to do with the 300 posts claiming the wizards were gonna be screwed over a contract they couldn’t move.

45 minutes later it turns out they paid like 30 out of the $250 million And traded it easily For assets that won’t settle for at least five years.

One of the longest and dumbest arguments I’ve ever been in over the last 24 years to result in exactly what I said would happen if they wanted happening even quicker than expected and at zero cost.

Want to be right so bad On analysis you attribute being wrong to luck as if somebody had a freak injury.


The actual outcome of that whole situation for the wizards was not worth all that discussion. All that shit over a contract they didn’t pay and immediately got out of for draft capital Which is exactly what we told you they could do. And still talking about it years later Like the point wasn’t proven the second he was on a different team.

[Kblaze8855]

So why couldn't the Suns trade Beal? Why did they have to spend $100 million to buy him out if he was so easy to trade?

I think the more relevant question is if the contract was gonna be such an albatross to the wizards….why wasn’t it?

Why after 300 post arguing over this giant contract that couldn’t be justified or moved did they cheerfully get out of paying any of it while receiving draft capital?

I don’t think more words have ever been wasted on a subject where I was proven so inarguably correct so quickly. Whole thing was settled so fast People have to pretend it was never a question about how it would hurt the wizards because it so obviously didn’t.

The wizards made out so Scott free I swear it feels like you’re rooting for them not to get to take Phoenix‘s picks because stacking value on top of the obvious lack of any negative consequence would be too much to handle.

gonna be the only wizards fan mad if y’all swap up from 14 to 9 or from 6 to 2 a few years from now Because it makes you look worse for opposing a signing eight years previous that the team didn’t even have to pay for

[tontoz]

so more talk about how they would have been wrong if the world were different…


The wizards did not pay the money. It took them two weeks to trade him, which was actually even faster than I told you it would take if they ever decided to do it. It ended up being absolutely zero impediment for years of potential pick swaps with a bad team.

and the funny thing about the no trade clause is the big trade the suns had the opportunity to make was vetoed by Kevin Durant who didn’t have a no trade clause.

Not that anything in Phoenix has anything to do with the 300 posts claiming the wizards were gonna be screwed over a contract they couldn’t move.

45 minutes later it turns out they paid like 30 out of the $250 million And traded it easily For assets that won’t settle for at least five years.

One of the longest and dumbest arguments I’ve ever been in over the last 24 years to result in exactly what I said would happen if they wanted happening even quicker than expected and at zero cost.

Want to be right so bad On analysis you attribute being wrong to luck as if somebody had a freak injury.


The actual outcome of that whole situation for the wizards was not worth all that discussion. All that shit over a contract they didn’t pay and immediately got out of for draft capital Which is exactly what we told you they could do. And still talking about it years later Like the point wasn’t proven the second he was on a different team.

Beal signed that contract in the summer of 2022. Here we are in 2025 and where are the Wizards? They are 1-8. Not only are they in the toilet they traded Deni, the one good player they had after trading Beal, because he didn't fit in with their new timeline. Now he might make the All-Star team with the Blazers.

So yeah i am pretty comfortable i was right about the trade. They were 35-47 even though they were trying to be a playoff team, then 15-67 and 18-64 last season, and they are tanking again this season. As of right now we haven't received anything tangible from trading Beal. The Grizzlies got 4 first round picks for Bane ffs.

If we had let Beal walk or done a snt deal and started the rebuild sooner the rebuild would surely be further along and Deni might still be on our team.

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I think the more relevant question is if the contract was gonna be such an albatross to the wizards….why wasn’t it?

Because they happened along a brand new NBA owner who didn't know what he was doing either?

Talk about being purposefully obtuse. You have to be the most prideful poster this board has ever seen.

[Kblaze8855]

Beal signed that contract in the summer of 2022. Here we are in 2025 and where are the Wizards? They are 1-8. Not only are they in the toilet they traded the Deni, the one good player they had after trading Beal, because he didn't fit in with their new timeline. Now he might make the All-Star team with the Blazers.

So yeah i am pretty comfortable i was right about the trade. They were 35-47 even though they were trying to be a playoff team, then 15-67 last season, and they are tanking again this season. As of right now we haven't received anything tangible from trading Beal. The Grizzlies got 4 first round picks for Bane ffs.

If we had let Beal walk or done a snt deal and started the rebuild sooner the rebuild would surely be further along with the rebuild and Deni might still be on our team.

where are the wizards? Rebuilding. You think the wizards are trying to win the championship? Sometimes it seems you don’t even grasp the concept of rebuilding. That became pretty clear when you took issue with having Jordan Poole on the team at $30 million because he wasn’t playing well when the team obviously was trying to lose and the money was immaterial because his contract was keeping you off the salary floor.

I believe at one point you thought you made a good point by telling me he makes $30 million to suck as if you couldn’t get your head around a team trying to lose having players who suck is accomplishing the goal And that in a sport with a salary floor, you don’t have the option to pay nobody because the league takes the money anyway and distributes it to the players.

But it did shed some insight into your thought process. It’s all about what you feeeeeel. It doesn’t feel right to pay somebody a lot of money who doesn’t make the team better Even if you don’t want the team better, and the money would be paid anyway.

Just like somehow, the idea of signing a guy to a giant contract still bothers you when your team didn’t have to pay any of it and still managed to tank for pics and has pic swaps available for years and years and years from a team that looks to be rebuilding itself.

knowing you can take a likely bad team’s draft picks for years in exchange for something you didn’t want while they pay for it it somehow still not a positive because of your feelings And the team still being bad when the team doesn’t want to be good…

Fans at the same problem they criticize a lot of teams for. Get so dug into a position they’ll deny the truth rather than change course Because changing course isn’t an admission of being wrong. Only thing is a front office completely changing course after several years might come with consequences like losing a seven figure job.

Dude on the Internet will be outraged over some shit that ends up being nothing but positive and have to talk themselves into staying mad forever when there’s nothing at stake and the only impediment is lacking the emotional maturity to admit they were wrong.

That contract didn’t do shit to hurt the wizards at all because they immediately got out from under it exactly like I told you they could, and all that resulted was positives the extent of which we won’t know for at least five more years.

But my all means continue to sulk about the positives that came of you being wrong.

Anyway…I need to wash like two weeks of clothes from being on the road. I’m sure one of you will bring it up again in the future. But it won’t be me. Not even when the camera pans over to Boris Diaw or whoever Phoenix sends out there to sit there awkwardly while ESPN gets the graphic package together to show that the lottery pick they just got transfers to the wizards….

I won’t say a word. But you’ll know. And somehow it will probably override what should be a happy time for you. And that’s the most ****ed up thing about it.

you have a nice day though.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Could the Wizards trade the rights to swap pick with a better team? That's worth nothing to them because of how bad they are but for a better team that could be gold.