Can someone provide me an actual example of America putting Israel first?

[diamenz]

@Baller234

you swore up & down that there were no instances of america putting the cart before the horse. you swore left & right that no one here could provide even one example but at long last i provided you with several in the form of a thorough, detailed argument. HoopNY also provided you with a glaring recent example in the case of jonathan pollard.

so out of respect i thought i'd give you some time if you were genuinely looking into these examples and were intent on either coming back to the table and either acknowledging them, conceding on the topic or forming a legitimate counterargument but alas, you got ghost.

[highwhey]

@Baller234

you swore up & down that there were no instances of america putting the cart before the horse. you swore left & right that no one here could provide even one example but at long last i provided you with several in the form of a thorough, detailed argument. HoopNY also provided you with a glaring recent example in the case of jonathan pollard.

so out of respect i thought i'd give you some time if you were genuinely looking into these examples and were intent on either coming back to the table and either acknowledging them, conceding on the topic or forming a legitimate counterargument but alas, you got ghost.

[Baller234]

@Baller234

you swore up & down that there were no instances of america putting the cart before the horse. you swore left & right that no one here could provide even one example but at long last i provided you with several in the form of a thorough, detailed argument. HoopNY also provided you with a glaring recent example in the case of jonathan pollard.

so out of respect i thought i'd give you some time if you were genuinely looking into these examples and were intent on either coming back to the table and either acknowledging them, conceding on the topic or forming a legitimate counterargument but alas, you got ghost.

Uh, how about instead of asking me to address 20 different points you boil it down to like 2 or 3. You want me to research 20 different things??

Give me the bullet points you feel are most important so I can address them properly.

[diamenz]

Uh, how about instead of asking me to address 20 different points you boil it down to like 2 or 3. You want me to research 20 different things??

Give me the bullet points you feel are most important so I can address them properly.

i gave you six different examples, not twenty. you asked arby for five earlier in the thread and entertained jstern's five so don't be dramatic. if it's too much at once we'll take them one at a time - i'm not going anywhere. but if you insist on me choosing, you can start by giving me your two cents on the closed door meeting between jonathan pollard and our ambassador to israel, done behind the back of our president.

[Baller234]

i gave you six different examples, not twenty. you asked arby for five earlier in the thread and entertained jstern's five so don't be dramatic. if it's too much at once we'll take them one at a time - i'm not going anywhere. but if you insist on me choosing, you can start by giving me your two cents on the closed door meeting between jonathan pollard and our ambassador to israel, done behind the back of our president.

Wow you mean secret meetings occur between members of government and other countries?? You don't say. You mean there are members of government that have shady dealings with foreign entities? Stop the presses.

That's proof that Israel controls America?


edit:

So I just researched it.

Mike Huckabee held a private meeting with someone who was convicted of being a spy for Israel. Huckabee is literally the U.S. ambassador to Israel. How do you know what was discussed? How do you know he wasn't giving us information? How do you know they didn't reach some other type of arrangement?

I can't pretend to know what they discussed. Sure, maybe it WAS shady. Maybe Huckabee IS dirty. Maybe there IS more going on. But sorry but "Huckabee meets with former spy" can have a million different implications and doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America. You're gonna have to do better than that.

[ShawkFactory]

That's proof that Israel controls America?

prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America

Okay but...did you ask people to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America?

Or did you ask for people to provide examples of America putting Israel first?

[highwhey]

Okay but...did you ask people to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America?

Or did you ask for people to provide examples of America putting Israel first?

got his ass

[Axe]

[diamenz]

Okay but...did you ask people to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America?

Or did you ask for people to provide examples of America putting Israel first?

i really don't like to piggyback off of somebody else's statement but ShawkFactory is right - what he contrasted is indeed the fundamental aspect being discussed in this thread.

@Baller234

would you like to revise or redo your post or should i reply as is?

by the way, it's already awfully telling that you spent an entire ten minutes "researching" this after your initial reaction was to dismiss this as just another nothing-burger.

[Baller234]

i really don't like to piggyback off of somebody else's statement but ShawkFactory is right - what he contrasted is indeed the fundamental aspect being discussed in this thread.

@Baller234

would you like to revise or redo your post or should i reply as is?

by the way, it's already awfully telling that you spent an entire ten minutes "researching" this after your initial reaction was to dismiss this as just another nothing-burger.

And what do you know, it turned out to be a nothing burger.

I asked you to give me your biggest sticking point. Your biggest a-ha! moment. And what do you tell me. That the ambassador to Israel meant with someone who was once convicted of being a spy for Israel.

And that's proof positive that America is secretly being controlled by Israel.

[Baller234]

Okay but...did you ask people to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Israel controls America?

Or did you ask for people to provide examples of America putting Israel first?

Wtf does this mean?? Mike Huckabee is not "America". Even if some individual in our own govt has ties to Israel, it doesn't mean that "America" is putting Israel first. You think Israel is the only country giving money to someone in government?

What is the point of even bringing this up if that's not what you're intending to say. You guys are crying and bitching about America putting Israel's interests over it's own, but you can't point to any tangible action or policy. Instead we get "You know the ambassador of Israel met with a spy once..."

Point to me a time when America as a country put the interest of Israel over it's own.

[highwhey]

seriously baller, you are being disingenuous with a question you yourself proposed.

[diamenz]

And what do you know, it turned out to be a nothing burger.

how can you say this with absolute certainty after just stating in your previous post that you don't know what was discussed in the meeting and it possibly "could have been shady"?

I asked you to give me your biggest sticking point. Your biggest a-ha! moment. And what do you tell me. That the ambassador to Israel meant with someone who was once convicted of being a spy for Israel.

slow down. i haven't even made an argument yet and it wasn't even one of my bullet points to begin with. i asked you to give me your two cents on HoopsNY's example hoping, that someone who claims to be america first and should be intellectually inclined to entertain instances were this may not be the case, would have taken more than ten minutes to " research" said example, maybe sat back and said to himself; hey you know what - this doesn't pass the smell test, i don't like the way all of the red flags are pointing to something nefarious going on and frankly, i don't like it. i'm definitely going to make some time to deep dive on this and come back to the table with a well-informed conclusion.

instead, your instinct is to shut down dissent and protect israel at all costs. this doesn't sound like someone who's america first to me, nor do i think they are they acting in good faith and taking an honest approach to the subject.

And that's proof positive that America is secretly being controlled by Israel.

are you autistic? what did shawk just tell you? that's not what this thread is about.

look, are you going to put some intellectual effort into this as someone who's purportedly america first and is genuinely curious about your original question or are you just going to blindly, maybe even subconsciously, go to bat for a foreign country as if it were your own?

[Baller234]

Bro who do you think you're kidding? You're saying you haven't been trying to convince everyone that Israel is pulling America's strings? All that stuff about who was backing Trump's campaign? About Epstein? The only reason "Israel" is such a sticking point for you in the first place is because you believe that somehow they compromise our interests.

And no sorry, I'm not gonna let you paint me as some "protector" of Israel. I could honestly give two fukks about Israel in the grand scheme of things. I never said anyone wasn't free to criticize them. And no I never insinuated that they're squeaky clean or that they probably haven't done their fair share of shady shit. If I'm "protecting" them from anything it's from deranged conspiracy theories that involve our own country. The whole "America First" bullshit is predicated on not wanting to be a friend of Israel. Nothing more.

You're the ones obsessed with Israel. Not me.

[ShawkFactory]

Wtf does this mean?? Mike Huckabee is not "America". Even if some individual in our own govt has ties to Israel, it doesn't mean that "America" is putting Israel first. You think Israel is the only country giving money to someone in government?

What is the point of even bringing this up if that's not what you're intending to say. You guys are crying and bitching about America putting Israel's interests over it's own, but you can't point to any tangible action or policy. Instead we get "You know the ambassador of Israel met with a spy once..."

Point to me a time when America as a country put the interest of Israel over it's own.

I don’t care about that one particular example. I’m addressing the fact that you’re deviating from the premise that YOU posited.

Not to speak for diamez as well, but what you’ve done here is ignore several points that were made by just blatantly claiming you were too lazy to address them (or maybe even read them), and now globbing onto the the most recent point, that wasn’t even actually his. And now that gives you the out to continue to ignore the many others presented to you.

It’s textbook Baller. @diamez, again not meaning to speak for you. Just calling this exchange as I see it.