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Warriors Til I Die
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.
But from what you guys are saying, it seems that he should be rated above Nash because Nash is a poor defender.
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Decent playground baller
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by StateOfMind12
Kidd-Nash is debatable, but I give the edge to Nash there. That being said, I felt like Nash benefited greatly from the no hand-checking rule. It took away one of his biggest weaknesses.
Please explain.
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Cavs Fan ® 1997
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by LT Ice Cream
I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.
But from what you guys are saying, it seems that he should be rated above Nash because Nash is a poor defender.
Payton would've had a ring. But Jordan said no no.
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Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by Meticode
Payton would've had a ring. But Jordan said no no.
Payton does have a ring though!
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National High School Star
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by StateOfMind12
Kidd-Nash is debatable, but I give the edge to Nash there. That being said, I felt like Nash benefited greatly from the no hand-checking rule. It took away one of his biggest weaknesses.
Yes, right after the hand check rule changed and defenses weren't allowed to guard the paint, Nash went off and excelled. I think every point guard today is overrated. Thomas and KJ would have murdered everyone if they played with today's rules. You don't even need to have a jumpshot to be a top PG today. If defenses can't touch you, you are going to be able to make a play.
Kidd was far below Payton's level of defense, but Kidd was a VERY VERY good defender. All those all defense teams he has he actually earned and deserved.
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Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
If I have a good defensive big, I'd pick Nash. Otherwise Payton. Lets not forget Steve Nash is one of the GOAT shooter and GOAT playmaker.
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College superstar
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?
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College superstar
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by keep-itreal
What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?
He was versatile. He could shoot threes if he had to, but he was streaky so he didn't shoot too many for most of his career. He was excellent in the post for his size and he took smart shots. Payton was efficient and rarely took low percentage shots. That's why before Kemp left, he was regularly shooting 50% or close to it.
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Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
I love the Glove. I was rooting for him in 1996.
Payton is a top 5 PG, and will be there for awhile.
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Good college starter
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by hayden695
How are they same efficiency wise?
Originally Posted by I'm Seriously
Payton's career TS% 52.8 Paytons peak TS% 56.4 averaging 20.6 PPG
Nash's career TS% 60.6 Nash's peak TS% 65.4 averaging 18.6 PPG
I agree that the Glove was the better all around player, but effeciency wise it's Nash and it's not even close.
I stand corrected.
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Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by DeronMillsap
I love the Glove. I was rooting for him in 1996.
Payton is a top 5 PG, and will be there for awhile.
Top 5:
Magic/Big O/Stockton/Isiah/Glove
Cousy could be in there too I suppose.
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Warriors Til I Die
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
He's still no Rondo. Or Rose for that matter.
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NBA Legend
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by LT Ice Cream
I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.
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Shit, thats already starting now.
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National High School Star
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by keep-itreal
What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?
He had the mid range game, he had the running floater, he was good at going to the whole and finishing with a lay up but he also was very very good with his post up game. Dribbling with his back to the hoop just backing his defender down. I can't think of very many instances of GP dunking a ball, lol. Rose has a way to go before he can deserved to be mentioned with the likes of GP.
Also GP was very vocal on the court. Great leadership. He was always talking on both ends of the court.
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Warriors Til I Die
Re: Gary Payton has become insanely underrated
Originally Posted by oh the horror
Shit, thats already starting now.
yup, sports stars only remain popular with those who witnessed their feats first-hand. Jordan is just the guy from 2k11 according to some of the kids I deal with.
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