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Laker Nation
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Big O, imo. then Lebron after.
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College superstar
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
I find it strange that OP ended the voting for #5 between Bird/Wilt with only a total vote of 56 with a very small margin of 4 between them. Yet he let the voting for #8 between Kobe/Duncan go on for a total of 124 votes with a margin of 8 between them. Then #10 voting was over in a flash.
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by BlackVVaves
Love how Pauk refuses to detail why he continues to use awards to compare Lebron to players such as Oscar or West when the said awards did not even exist back then.
Obvious agenda is obvious
Jerry West.
Love how BlackVVaves refuses to detail why he continues to use awards to compare Kobe to players such as Oscar or West when he just voted a less awarded player over Lebron
You just have to throw in these delusional thoughts in your brain just to feel better about your blinded Lebron hatred huh?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by pauk
............................Lebron..........Moses. ......
MVP..........................3.................3.. .........
FMVP........................1..................1.. ........
CHAMP......................1.................1.... .......
ROTY.......................Yes..............No.... ......
DPOY........................0.................0... ........
1st All-NBA................6.................4...........
1st All-Def.................4.................1...........
All-Star.....................8................12...... .....
All-Star MVP..............2.................0............
POTM.......................20................4.... ........
Best Player?.............Yes.............Never........
Do the right thing fellas............
Do you still not realize why these comparisons are so flawed? They don't take into consideration any seasons that a player may have finished second in voting for those awards. Are you trying to imply that those seasons are not important?
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Reign of Error
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
In that case though LeBron was top 2 in MVP voting once on top of his 3 MVPs, while Moses wasn't.
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by riseagainst
Big O, imo. then Lebron after.
......................Lebron............Oscar..... .........West..........
MVP...................3...................1....... .............0..............
FMVP..................1..................0........ ............1...............
CHAMP...............1(the man).....1(sidekick)......1(sidekick)..
ROTY................Yes................Yes........ .........No.............
DPOY..............RunnerUp.........No............. .....No.............
1st All-NBA.........6...................9................. ..10.............
1st All-Def..........4...................0................ ....4..............
All-Star MVP........2...................3.................. .1..............
All-Star..............8...................12.......... .......14..............
POTM................20..................0......... ..........0...............
Best Player?.......Yes..............Never.............N ever...........
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NBA Superstar
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by BoutPractice
In that case though LeBron was top 2 in MVP voting once on top of his 3 MVPs, while Moses wasn't.
Top 2 and Top 4 in Defensive Player of the Year Voting to.... and #1 most 1st All-Defensive team votes (even more than the guy who won DPOY that year)....
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Titles are overrated
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
The triple double averaging Magic Johnson who just came of two championships and 2 FMVPs.... Then the 31-6-5 @ 56% FG Adrian Dantley made it tough to, Larry Bird, Kareem, George Gervin, Bernard King and so on...
Choosing the best player in that season was not as easy choosing the best player this season...
If you told a version of ISH in 1983 that Magic was better than Moses Malone they probably would have banned you.
Moses won 3 MVPs in 4 or 5 years totally dominated the playoffs/finals in 83 and was probably as respected as anyone in sports. I remember Bird saying the toughest opponent he ever had before Jordan....was Moses.
Moses just got disregarded over time.
And all NBA team numbers between a swingman and center never add up. He has one spot while Lebron has 2. Guys like Kareem would have been all nba first team 17 years in a row with 2 spots. Moses would have had 8 or 9 straight.
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GOATbrook >>>
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by Sarcastic
Do you still not realize why these comparisons are so flawed? They don't take into consideration any seasons that a player may have finished second in voting for those awards. Are you trying to imply that those seasons are not important?
I am perfectly aware of that and even with that criteria Lebron prevails, lets take the MVP & DPOY for example =
Lebron has finished Top 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 in MVP voting all his seasons basically..
Lebron has been also in Top 2-3-4 in DPOY voting...
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Laker Nation
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by pauk
......................Lebron............Oscar..... .........West..........
MVP...................3...................1....... .............0..............
FMVP..................1..................0........ ............1...............
CHAMP...............1(the man).....1(sidekick)......1(sidekick)..
ROTY................Yes................Yes........ .........No.............
DPOY..............RunnerUp.........No............. .....No.............
1st All-NBA.........6...................9................. ..10.............
1st All-Def..........4...................0................ ....4..............
All-Star MVP........2...................3.................. .1..............
All-Star..............8...................12.......... .......14..............
POTM................20..................0......... ..........0...............
Best Player?.......Yes..............Never.............N ever...........
I know Lebron's accolades are impressive, more impressive than O and West and Moses. But Oscar's triple double seasons are just too incredible to let go of, just my opinion.
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by PyrrhusX
oscar
Why? The triple double average season? Oh mi Oh my, yea, lets vote him over a much more accomplished player....
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NBA Legend
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
Originally Posted by riseagainst
I know Lebron's accolades are impressive, more impressive than O and West and Moses. But Oscar's triple double seasons are just too incredible to let go of, just my opinion.
Why not vote him over Hakeem, Kobe and so on aswell then (which i would never do)? Same thing actually as voting him over Lebron, as he also has accomplished more....
Speaking of triple doubles, numbers... Lebron is not doing so bad in that area either and he is doing it an a modern era, where there are more teams, better competition and much less possessions per game...
Even Oscar acknowledges that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdnBsCmST_E
Last edited by pauk; 08-24-2012 at 10:19 AM.
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Reign of Error
Re: #11 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops
It's true that All-NBA comparisons don't work with two spots VS one.
However, for the sake of argument, if there was only one swingman spot, LeBron most likely would have been voted at least four times - from 2009 to 2012 almost certainly.
The fact that LeBron is already being considered ahead of Moses while he may have 7 great years of basketball left in him says a lot about him. It's not a knock on Moses, who might be one of the most under appreciated stars in the history of the game.
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