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Is it in you?
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by warriorfan
Jason Terry erased LeBrons career. Let that sink in for a moment.
Iguodala erased Curry's
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Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by hateraid
Iguodala erased Curry's
Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet
The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent.
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NBA lottery pick
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Pippen had a low statistical peak and always averaged far less than MJ in every Playoffs, so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks, FMVP's and equal-scoring partners that every other top 10 player enjoyed.
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The Bearded Menace
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Sad to say, curry is just not fit for the finals mvp award. Kids choice from nick might be the best award he got in his entire career.
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Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by dankok8
Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?
Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.
LeBron pre-Miami:
2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round
Jordan pre- and post Pippen:
0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.
LeBron pre-Miami:
2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round
Jordan pre- and post Pippen:
0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round
From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 85-90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen
(05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).
So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball in 1990, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..
Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning
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Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by 3ball
From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen (05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).
So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..
Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning
Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.
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RENT FREE
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
The things op wonders, as Jordan keeps him awake at night
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.
30 games to make the playoffs means nothing and forced Jordan to face a dynasty as an 8 seed
Otoh, lebron was lucky to miss the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams and only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds
Again, 1-star teams routinely won lebron's conference, while a super-team was required to win the 80's East
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Is it in you?
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who
Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals
were a "Super team"?
That is actually perfect context. With the exception of the Celtics the east was extremely weak and lacked a legit Superteam.
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We Stay Winning
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Jordan before Pippen: Zero .500 seasons, 1-9 in the playoffs
Jordan after Pippen: Failed to make playoffs in a conference with the #1 and #2 worst record for a 1st seed since the introduction of the 3 point line
Pippen after Jordan's first retirement: 55 win season, 2nd round
Pippen after Jordan's second retirement: Western Conference Finals
Nail in the coffin right there
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We Stay Winning
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet
The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent.
Bloodbath city :Some kids like the abuse
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who
Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals
were a "Super team"?
3ball getting roasted as usual
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Boom Baby!
Re: Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?
If he never had Pippen is he not allowed to get "help" to replace him?
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