You have to give one MVP and one DPOY to two players who never won them.

**ralph_i_el** · 12-03-2023, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle

Agree with Duncan, but no on Jerry West.

Wes Unseld led the Bullets to the best record in the league (57 wins to 55 for the Big 3 Lakers.) West only played 61 games compared to Wes 82. Bullets were dead last in the West the previous season.

That was also Bullets first winning season in their entire existence.

Also, interesting note. Wes was not voted an All-Star the next season even tho the still won 50 games and his numbers were slightly better than his MVP season.

Couldn't you only win MVP one time back then? Wes wouldn't have won it otherwise.

**SouBeachTalents** · 12-03-2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by ralph_i_el

Couldn't you only win MVP one time back then? Wes wouldn't have won it otherwise.

What

**ELITEpower23** · 12-03-2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by 97 bulls

It's amazing to think that Kobe Bryant was really one game off from never having won an MVP award. Sheesh

And this is "MJ'S clone" in modern times

Very telling

**Norcaliblunt** · 12-03-2023, 05:10 PM

MVP and Dpoy are nothing to be proud off.

It’s subjective media driven BS.

A big who cares.

Unless you are apart of the millennial generation trophy culture no one gives a shit about these awards.

**Kblaze8855** · 12-03-2023, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norcaliblunt

MVP and Dpoy are nothing to be proud off.

It’s subjective media driven BS.

A big who cares.

Unless you are apart of the millennial generation trophy culture no one gives a shit about these awards.

People have cared about winning mvps of various kinds since sports began. Bill Russell was salty 50 years later he didn’t win the northern California college player of the year in like 1954. There’s nothing mentally weak about wanting recognition for your greatness.

**HylianNightmare** · 12-03-2023, 06:56 PM

Dwight over rose

**SaltyMeatballs** · 12-04-2023, 02:40 PM

MVP - CP3 over Kobe in 2008

DPOY - LeBron over Marc Gasol in 2013

**WhiteKyrie** · 12-04-2023, 03:22 PM

If I was having to re work historical MVPs, and DPOYs to those who never got one

1994 DPOY - Pippen
2003 MVP - T-Mac
2008 MVP - CP3
2009 MVP - D-Wade
2013 DPOY - LeBron

Are the only ones that spring to mind.

**dankok8** · 12-04-2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by 97 bulls

It's amazing to think that Kobe Bryant was really one game off from never having won an MVP award. Sheesh

Kobe was unlucky in that he peaked in years (2006 and 2007) when his supporting casts were garbage. He probably doesn't average far above 30 ppg on a contender but his efficiency and creation would be much higher.

To answer OP, I'd give the MVP to West over Unseld in 1969 and DPOY to Duncan over Camby in 2007.

**L.Kizzle** · 12-04-2023, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ralph_i_el

Couldn't you only win MVP one time back then? Wes wouldn't have won it otherwise.

Nah. Russell and Wilt have multiple.

**kawhileonard2** · 12-04-2023, 11:21 PM

Kawhi in 2017 and 2019.

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