Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst ... 2345678 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 75 of 150
  1. #61
    College superstar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Memphis
    Posts
    4,690

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    What Pippen is saying is not particularly new information. I made the following post on here over a decade ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlip View Post
    "On the Bulls he [Pippen] was probably the player most liked by the others. He mingled. He could bring out the best in the players and communicate the best. Leadership, real leadership, is one of his strengths. Everybody would say Michael is a great leader. He leads by example, by rebuke, by harsh words. Scottie's leadership was equally dominant, but it's a leadership of patting the back, support."

    Phil Jackson
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...38/5/index.htm

    "Scottie was our team leader. He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively..."

    Phil Jackson
    http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/...asketball.html

    Bill Wennington echoes the same sentiments in his book, entitled Bill Wennington's Tales from the Bulls Hardwood. He says

    "Scottie was my favorite Bull. It's not the most popular thing to say in Chicago, because Michael is supposed to be everybody's favorite. And I loved Michael as a person and as a teammate. I just appreciated Scottie more...

    Michael will test you everyday. But Michael will also let you burn in the coach's eyes to see how you handle the situation. Scottie handled his relationships with his teammates differently, and better, in my opinion ...

    My first season with the Bulls was the 1993-94 season, the first one Michael did not play because of his initial retirement. In that season I saw Scottie as No. 1...I played with a lot of players--Chris Webber, Mark Aguirre, Sam Perkins--Scottie was head and shoulders above all of those players in terms of leadership and what he stood for as a team basketball player...

    ...But what Scottie represented to me is a player whom I would pick 1st for my team every time. Even if Michael was available, I would pick Scottie Pippen...

    ...Scottie led that team ['93-'94 Bulls] to 55 wins...Maybe it's apples to oranges, but that season was an indication of what Scottie was capable of doing as a team leader."

    http://books.google.com/books?id=Eip...page&q&f=false pp.11-17

  2. #62
    Local High School Star
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Posts
    1,510

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Seems you have to be an unprincipled beta bitch to think of Jordan as great at pretty much anything outside of being an amazing lead guard in an offense.

    Complete flawed jackass mentally.

  3. #63
    NBA Superstar 97 bulls's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    14,134

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueBorg View Post
    There was only one year the Bulls lost to the Knicks in the playoffs in the 90's...
    And what does that mean? Let's cut the false equivalentcies. Nobody I'm their right mind would suggest that the Bulls should've won without MJ. And I'd you do, what does that say for MJ?

  4. #64
    College superstar TheGoatest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Posts
    4,577

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueBorg View Post
    LOLing at Grant's 1 All-Star appearance.
    Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
    The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.

  5. #65
    Decent college freshman RogueBorg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    In Corporation's head
    Posts
    2,899

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoatest View Post
    Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
    The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.
    How many all-star appearances did Grant make with the Magic and the Lakers? I'll wait while you Google it.

  6. #66
    Decent college freshman RogueBorg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    In Corporation's head
    Posts
    2,899

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoatest View Post
    Grant's 1 All-Star appearance happened in the exact 1 season he played with on the Bulls but without Jordan.
    The fact that this was the case is at least as much of a bad look for Jordan as it is for Grant.
    So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.

  7. #67
    Is it in you? hateraid's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    In your local 7-11 freezers
    Posts
    18,206

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueBorg View Post
    So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.
    The fact that they ARE all star calibre is relevant. Otherwise fukk outta here with that Kyrie bs.

  8. #68
    College superstar TheGoatest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Posts
    4,577

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueBorg View Post
    How many all-star appearances did Grant make with the Magic and the Lakers? I'll wait while you Google it.
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueBorg View Post
    So in '93-'94 Pippen had 2 all-star teammates and they got bounced in the second round. Jordan had 1 all-star teammate from 92-93 and they won the chip each year. In fact, he had no all-star teammates in 91.
    Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:



    The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.

  9. #69
    Decent college freshman RogueBorg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    In Corporation's head
    Posts
    2,899

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoatest View Post
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0



    Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:



    The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.
    Nice attempt at a deflection. What do ref bad calls have to do with the number of all-star appearances for Grant?

  10. #70
    NBA Legend Hey Yo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Posts
    18,906

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Hubert Davis was another top nemesis of Jordan's

  11. #71
    NBA Superstar
    Join Date
    Jun 2021
    Posts
    14,674

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoatest View Post
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing without Jordan: 1
    Grant's All-Star appearances with the Magic, the Lakers and the Bulls while playing with Jordan: 0



    Yes, something sure was bouncing. It was that little ball inside the refs whistle as he blew air in it while calling out one of the most bullshit calls ever:



    The type of call which the Bulls always got called in their favor when ref-darling Jordan was playing for them.

    .
    Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:






    Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:






    Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:





    So Pippen choked many times - the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, and Game 7, plus a lot of other little chokes in between.. Ewing easily outplayed Pippen because Ewing was a real 1st option, while Pippen wasn't even a 2nd option without MJ

    Pippen won 55 in 94' because he had a defending 3-peat champion - without that, the Bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability.. It isn't like the 95' Bulls were going to recover without MJ and be a contender in 96' - only MJ elevated them from borderline lottery in 95' to 3-peat caliber in 96'
    Last edited by 3ba11; 11-16-2021 at 03:25 PM.

  12. #72
    Decent college freshman RogueBorg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    In Corporation's head
    Posts
    2,899

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    .
    Pippen hacks the shit out of Hubert:






    Here's what Pippen did right BEFORE the dumb foul on Hubert Davis - he passes up a huge clearout and gives it to BJ for a rushed shot:






    Phil was pissed at Pippen after that - he already knew that Pippen couldn't be trusted when it mattered and that he should've gone with Kukoc again:





    So Pippen choked many times - the "sit out" game, the "dumb foul" game, and Game 7, plus a lot of other little chokes in between.. Ewing easily outplayed Pippen because Ewing was a real 1st option, while Pippen wasn't even a 2nd option without MJ

    Pippen won 55 in 94' because he had a defending 3-peat champion - without that, the Bulls were borderline lottery in 95' until MJ returned to restore 3-peat capability
    Pippen passing to Armstrong sure reminds me of LeBeta passing to Kyrie, except Kyrie hit the shot.

  13. #73
    Good college starter ELITEpower23's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Posts
    3,079

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Eerily similar players


  14. #74
    NBA sixth man of the year Micku's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    7,400

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by dankok8 View Post
    I don't think Worthy or McHale are capable of winning titles as #1 options either. I have Pippen over both of them on my all-time list. And over Nique who was basically just a scorer.

    I am fair. I just honestly don't see Pippen as a #1 option type of player. You probably have to score more than 22 ppg OR be a defensive anchor i.e. defensive big like Garnett to win titles as the clear-cut best player. There are a few exceptions but generally best players on title teams are either elite offensive players or elite two-way big men. Pippen fits into neither of those molds. Pippen at his peak in 1994 in terms of impact still falls well short of guys like Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Shaq and Hakeem. Pippen and Ewing are comparable around 1994 but 1990 peak Ewing was a bit better than any version of Pippen. Ewing was so good offensively that season and couldn't really sustain it as he got older.
    Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.

    I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.

  15. #75
    NBA Superstar
    Join Date
    Jun 2021
    Posts
    14,674

    Default Re: We won in spite of Jordan getting on guys - Pippen

    Quote Originally Posted by Micku View Post
    Y'know I changed my mind about Pippen being a #1 option and could win a chip. I used to think it wasn't possible, but now I think it is. Like if the Pistons 04 could do it, I'm sure if you place Pippen in a similar type of team, he could've. It also depends on the era and who are they facing of course. But I would say Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Robinson would probably be easier to build around than Pippen due to the fact I think they are better players that have better impact. I think they are better #1 options even when Pippen played at his peak.

    I do think Pippen is trippin when he compares himself to KD and think he is just as good as a player. It does seem from the reviews of his new book, he is rather whiny and jealous of MJ accomplishments and the attention he gets. And he thinks he doesn't get enough respect and praise. I wonder if it isn't just from fans and the media, but his peers and the current generation. I feel like this isn't the way to do it tho. And he ain't MJ, so he just will never get the praise or the respect of that type of lvl. He could talk about being a better teammate tho, but it just sounds like being petty in a way, at least how Pippen is handling it. He also talks about not being a starter in 1990 even though Larry Bird was better than him at the time and Barkley.

    The 2004 Pistons required Chauncey Billups to be extremely clutch and hit a ton of big shots to win FMVP (Chauncey earned clutch-related nicknames from his goat level of clutchness throughout those playoffs), so Pippen couldn't be #1 option and win with those Pistons.

    However, the 2004 Pistons won with Tyshaun Prince at SF, so they can win with a ton of SF's and could probably win with Pippen, but not as 1st option because clutch is required from a champion 1st option.

    And I say "probably" because Pippen was a negative in the 4th quarter and when the game was tight (clutch time), so it isn't a guarantee they could win with him.. Ultimately, it means exactly nothing to cite the most balanced team that ever won and say that Player X could've won with them.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •