Wizards jordon was worse than nearly any all-time great who played until his late 30s

[Axe]

Shhh, we only downplay the EC when LeBron wins.

[Axe]

The 2022 WCF teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per team than the 2002 ECF teams. Did the 2022 West suck too?

But why did you just move the goalposts, coach? Lmao.

[theman93]

Feel free to answer the question, or run away like you typically do

The 2022 WCF teams averaged a whole whopping 1.4 more wins per team than the 2002 ECF teams. Did the 2022 West suck too?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This board has fallen off a ****ing cliff

And for ISH standards that's saying something.

[theman93]

But why did you just move the goalposts, coach? Lmao.

I didn't move the goalposts. Like SATAN/RRR3, you too lack reading comprehension.

[SATAN]

30/8/6 52% from the field .619% TS >>> 22/5/5 41% from the field .468% TS

[theman93]

30/8/6 52% from the field .619% TS >>> 22/5/5 41% from the field .468% TS

Yet somehow, this 37 year old Lebron who is significantly better than 38 year old MJ, couldn't lead his team to as many wins as Jordan led his 2002 Wizards to with a better supporting cast while also starting more games.

[SATAN]

LeBron played 4 less games than Mike and the Lakers won 4 less games than the 2002 Wizards so I'm not sure what point you're really making here. The Lakers were not a good team although they probably would have cracked 40+ games in 2002.

[Axe]

Yet somehow, this 37 year old Lebron who is significantly better than 38 year old MJ, couldn't lead his team to as many wins as Jordan led his 2002 Wizards to with a better supporting cast while also starting more games.

Idk coach but this does sound like you're setting up a higher standard for him than you actually do for your hero.

[Round Mound]

Not really. Jordan aged pretty well. To play SG which involves being in the perimeter requires alot of energy. He just wasn't as fast, quick or agil but probably even stronger than before. MJ's game was based on both skill and athleticism. Lets also remember he did not play pro basketball for 3 years prior to his return. That's alot and that can make you rusty when trying to play with the level you once had.

[theman93]

LeBron played 4 less games than Mike and the Lakers won 4 less games than the 2002 Wizards so I'm not sure what point you're really making here. The Lakers were not a good team although they probably would have cracked 40+ games in 2002.

The final 7 games Jordan played in he didn't even start and averaged 20 minutes per game, so if you want to act like he was a significant contributor go ahead and hand over your bball card now.

You've already admitted you didn't start really even watching bball until 2011 so for you to even make that assumption is hilarious. Tell me, how much better was the 2022 WCF teams who averaged a whopping 1.4 more wins per game than the 2002 ECF teams?

[theman93]

Idk coach but this does sound like you're setting up a higher standard for him than you actually do for your hero.

Axe buddy, are you really telling me reaching the play-in tournament is a high standard? He didn't even need 37 wins to make it in. Lol.

[Axe]

Axe buddy, are you really telling me reaching the play-in tournament is a high standard?

Not necessarily coach. But didn't the bulls have a losing record the years mj went 1-9 in his first three trips to the playoffs prior to scottie pippen's arrival?

[kentatm]

What's your point? That jordone had younger and fresher legs than all the players mentioned but was still much worse?

It’s been a long time since I’ve thought about his Wiz days but I’m pretty sure he was playing through a bunch of injuries in at least one of those years.

Also, medical treatment for athletes is dramatically better now than it was 20 years ago. There are quite a few injuries that were career enders back then that guys can now recover from fairly easily w/modern medicine.

[theman93]

Not necessarily coach. But didn't the bulls have a losing record the years mj went 1-9 in his first three trips to the playoffs prior to scottie pippen's arrival?

He sure did. If you want to go off-topic from late career comparisons that's fine. We can discuss Lebron getting swept in 2007 or 2018. Or we can discuss him getting gentlemen swept in 2014 or 2017. Or we can discuss his 2011 debacle. Or we can discuss him losing in the 2009 ECF with HCA and his opponent missing one of their all-stars. Or we can discuss him failing to make the playoffs in 2019 after activating playoff mode. Or we can even stay on topic if you want and continue discussing him failing to make the play-in in 2022. Which would you prefer?