TRADE: Jrue Holiday to the Celtics for Timelord, Brogdan and 2 firsts.

[Xiao Yao You]

Feels weird that the Blazers now look like they have the best team they have had since Lillard/Aldridge...kinda the one that Lillard was always asking for. Certain poetic justice to it all. Bright future for them for sure

unless Simons is ready to carry them they should be one of the worst teams in the league

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Middleton's career high for ppg is 21. So even that number doesn't stack up. And he's had 29 and 27 game seasons. The 27 game season may have been him just not getting to play as a rookie but the 29 game season was close to his prime years when he was a contributor. How he is not an injury risk while purred Porzingis is just makes no sense. The double standard is apparent and unjustified. And Brown is clearly ahead of Middleton right now.

Horford is not going to play as much as he used to due to age but how is he falling apart 1? What was his last major injury to justify that statement?

Their career numbers are within 1ppg. Brown is probably a better scorer at this point of his career because he is being asked to be one of their top 2 scorers. Hence he shoots more per game and the ball in his hands for significantly longer periods. Even if you give the advantage to brown, it's very close.

Porzingis has a long history of injuries going back to his Knicks days from his very first season in the NBA. He is also being asked to do much more than Middleton or lopez. His backup happens to be old man horford and the undersized wenyen Gabriel. The bucks have bobby portis and Robin lopez as the backups for brook lopez.

Horford is not the same physically. Have you watched him play the last couple years? He has significantly slowed down and has trouble running up and down the court. You are a Celtics fan. How have you not noticed???

[bladefd]

Beasley is very streaky. Doesn't always need someone on him

True, but teams still guard him closely. Saw it with the Lakers last year. Someone was usually on him.

[Dbrog]

unless Simons is ready to carry them they should be one of the worst teams in the league

Ehhh they might have a bad season but they actually have talent now w/ the rooks rather than trotting out scrubs like Reddish or stiff Nurkic. I'm a bit higher on Scoot though so I guess we will have to see how it plays out. They look like the makings of Thunder 2.0 with their influx of picks in the coming years.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ehhh they might have a bad season but they actually have talent now w/ the rooks rather than trotting out scrubs like Reddish or stiff Nurkic. I'm a bit higher on Scoot though so I guess we will have to see how it plays out. They look like the makings of Thunder 2.0 with their influx of picks in the coming years.

there's a reason the Suns wanted Nurk instead of Ayton. Jazz have more picks than both and already have a competitive team

[Dbrog]

there's a reason the Suns wanted Nurk instead of Ayton. Jazz have more picks than both and already have a competitive team

Well ya, they got an even worse fleece than this by trading Rudy who wasn't even that good anyway. I'm really curious to see if Kessler improves for em this year. I see a lot of potential with him

[Xiao Yao You]

Well ya, they got an even worse fleece than this by trading Rudy who wasn't even that good anyway. I'm really curious to see if Kessler improves for em this year. I see a lot of potential with him

yeah the multiple time ALL NBAer/DPOTY that carried the franchise for close to a decade wasn't that good!

Kessler will certainly improve. Remains to be seen if he'll be able to guard in space.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Their career numbers are within 1ppg. Brown is probably a better scorer at this point of his career because he is being asked to be one of their top 2 scorers. Hence he shoots more per game and the ball in his hands for significantly longer periods. Even if you give the advantage to brown, it's very close.

Porzingis has a long history of injuries going back to his Knicks days from his very first season in the NBA. He is also being asked to do much more than Middleton or lopez. His backup happens to be old man horford and the undersized wenyen Gabriel. The bucks have bobby portis and Robin lopez as the backups for brook lopez.

Horford is not the same physically. Have you watched him play the last couple years? He has significantly slowed down and has trouble running up and down the court. You are a Celtics fan. How have you not noticed???

You apply every possible excuse to Middleton and he still comes up short vs JB. Then you turn around and say Middleton will hold up better than Porzingis because he's asked to do less. How? Both are the third best scorers in their team. Middleton will likely be tasked with defending the best scoring wing in the opposing team. Being basketball players they are both going to be running back and forth defending and running whatever role in the play on offense. Neither guy is exempt from movement. How does Middleton go out and have a better season than Brown while doing less than Porzingis? It just doesn't make sense.

Asking me about Horford is a stupid question. Yes I have seen him. His per minute production has held steady the last two years as a Celtic. He is obviously not in his prime but you said he was falling apart without any knowledge of the situation. It's called "load management. " the whole league is doing it. I asked you: If he is really falling apart, what was his last major injury?

[BurningHammer]

Trading away Time Lord is a huge mistake.

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You apply every possible excuse to Middleton and he still comes up short vs JB. Then you turn around and say Middleton will hold up better than Porzingis because he's asked to do less. How? Both are the third best scorers in their team. Middleton will likely be tasked with defending the best scoring wing in the opposing team. Being basketball players they are both going to be running back and forth defending and running whatever role in the play on offense. Neither guy is exempt from movement. How does Middleton go out and have a better season than Brown while doing less than Porzingis? It just doesn't make sense.

Asking me about Horford is a stupid question. Yes I have seen him. His per minute production has held steady the last two years as a Celtic. He is obviously not in his prime but you said he was falling apart without any knowledge of the situation. It's called "load management. " the whole league is doing it. I asked you: If he is really falling apart, what was his last major injury?

Does Middleton have a long history of injuries like porzingis? No.

Middleton is asked to be their 3rd scorer (mostly catch and shoot) , while brown is the focal point for the Celtics. On both ends of the floor. That is why brown shoots more and handles the ball for long time. And why he averages more ppg.

And no, I didn't say Middleton would have a better season than brown. I said they will be about equal. Giannis and Lillard will be the focal points for the bucks, tatum & brown for the Celtics. It allows Middleton to be the 3rd cog in the wheel with opponents not focusing on him as much. Opponents will be going at brown & game-planning for him more than Middleton on bucks.

I also did not say Middleton would do less than porz. I said porz's history throughout his entire career says he won't stay healthy for long.

Yes, I do think horford is falling apart physically. They have to minutes manage him because he just isn't as impactful as he once was when he is out there. He has been more prone to making mistakes on the defensive end or getting pushed around. I do not think he can give you solid 35mpg if you were to take him off his minutes restriction. He is good backup in stretches, but like I said he is not the same player he used to be. If porz or horford get injured, you guys are in huge trouble. You don't want either guy playing big minutes due to the high injury risk. Lopez doesn't have high injury risk history even if he is getting old. And bucks have decent depth behind lopez.

[Xiao Yao You]

Does Middleton have a long history of injuries like porzingis? No.

Middleton is asked to be their 3rd scorer (mostly catch and shoot) , while brown is the focal point for the Celtics. On both ends of the floor. That is why brown shoots more and handles the ball for long time. And why he averages more ppg.

And no, I didn't say Middleton would have a better season than brown. I said they will be about equal. Giannis and Lillard will be the focal points for the bucks, tatum & brown for the Celtics. It allows Middleton to be the 3rd cog in the wheel with opponents not focusing on him as much. Opponents will be going at brown & game-planning for him more than Middleton on bucks.

I also did not say Middleton would do less than porz. I said porz's history throughout his entire career says he won't stay healthy for long.

Yes, I do think horford is falling apart physically. They have to minutes manage him because he just isn't as impactful as he once was when he is out there. He has been more prone to making mistakes on the defensive end or getting pushed around. I do not think he can give you solid 35mpg if you were to take him off his minutes restriction. He is good backup in stretches, but like I said he is not the same player he used to be. If porz or horford get injured, you guys are in huge trouble. You don't want either guy playing big minutes due to the high injury risk. Lopez doesn't have high injury risk history even if he is getting old. And bucks have decent depth behind lopez.

Lopez certainly has more and more risk of injury as he gets older. Everyone's body breaks down eventually

[Dbrog]

yeah the multiple time ALL NBAer/DPOTY that carried the franchise for close to a decade wasn't that good!

Kessler will certainly improve. Remains to be seen if he'll be able to guard in space.

Carried them to what?

[Xiao Yao You]

Carried them to what?

out of the lottery

[Dbrog]

out of the lottery

Gross

[FultzNationRISE]

Trading away Time Lord is a huge mistake.

^ This is called “over dramatizing.”