The 2011-2014 Heat don't seem stacked anymore

[StrongLurk]

At least compared to so many of the teams that have existed since 2017.

2011 Heat:
Mike Bibby (end of career)
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Joel Anthony (lol) or Big Z (end of career)

Then the 2011 Heat was shit with Haslem, Mike Miller (actually decent but was always hurt) James Jones, Mario Chalmers, Juwan Howard (end of career), Eddie House.

Shit just look at the starting lineups of the Bucks/Celtics this year. They look just as good or even better than those Heat teams. Biggest difference is just Lebron being so much better than everyone else outside of the 2011 finals.

Celtics:
Jrue Holiday
Jason Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Al Horford
Kristaps

Bucks:
Damien Lillard
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
Giannis
Brook Lopez

Bumping my post about the Celtics. I called them being uber stacked right at the start of the season, and if they win the chip, then technically they will be one of the most dominant teams of all time.

It's a shame the Bucks had injuries to Giannis and Dame.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.

The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.

[1987_Lakers]

This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.

The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.

What brings the Celtics down is that they don't have that bonified superstar who is a top 3 player, but if you look at the roster from top to bottom, they are pretty stacked. Almost unfair to have Porzingis, Holiday, & White as your #3-#5 guys.

LeBron's miami teams #4 and #5 options were a 37 year old Ray Allen & Mario Chalmers, both clearly below Boston's supporting casts in terms of talent.

[SouBeachTalents]

This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.

The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What brings the Celtics down is that they don't have that bonified superstar who is a top 3 player, but if you look at the roster from top to bottom, they are pretty stacked. Almost unfair to have Porzingis, Holiday, & White as your #3-#5 guys.

LeBron's miami teams #4 and #5 options were a 37 year old Ray Allen & Mario Chalmers, both clearly below Boston's supporting casts in terms of talent.

No one is going to have more than three guys play a major role in the offense consistently. In Boston the the big scorers get 20+ and then you see White average 15 and you're wowed but remember that Porzingis misses about a third of the games. When your top scorers have it going you're really just hoping that the rest of your players are efficient and Miami didn't need as much from their nonstars. Tatum is not the unstoppable scorer James was. When he isn't hitting jumpers you can gang up on his drives and make him inefficient. If James' shot is off you might not even know because prime James could not be kept from the basket even by multiple defenders. As strong and athletic as Tatum is James is on a completely different stratosphere as an explosive powerful athlete. And he's only just over the last season trying to play like a point forward while James had been that in high school. The Celtics aren't the result of 3 superstars deciding to team up, they made great trades but none of those guys is a free agent they just got to add on to the superstars they already had.

[RRR3]

No one is going to have more than three guys play a major role in the offense consistently. In Boston the the big scorers get 20+ and then you see White average 15 and you're wowed but remember that Porzingis misses about a third of the games. When your top scorers have it going you're really just hoping that the rest of your players are efficient and Miami didn't need as much from their nonstars. Tatum is not the unstoppable scorer James was. When he isn't hitting jumpers you can hang up on his drives and make him inefficient. If James' shot is off you might not even know because prime James could not be kept from the basket even by multiple defenders. As strong and athletic as Tatum is James is on a completely different stratosphere as an explosive powerful athlete. And he's only just over the last season trying to play like a point forward while James had been that in high school. The Celtics aren't the result of 3 superstars deciding to team up, they made great trades but none of those guys is a free agent they just got to add on to the superstars they already had.

Is Bosh is a superstar, so is Porzingis lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

Is Bosh is a superstar, so is Porzingis lol

Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him. Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up.

[1987_Lakers]

Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him. Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up.

Celtics played bums on their way to the Finals and Porzingis dominated game 1 in his limited minutes vs Dallas. And I expect him to continue to play, doctors say it's a pain tolerance thing.

And this is simply false. Bosh missed tons of big games during their 2012 run.

[RRR3]

Prime Bosh was a lot luckier with health. If KP stayed healthy he's probably an allstar, possibly AllNBA. Celtics had to win the East without him and may have to go for the last two wins vs Dallas without him. Miami didn't have such a hard time keeping Bosh on the court until after the Heatles broke up.

Bosh was hurt for a lot of the 2012 playoffs, including against the Celtics

[Axe]

This year's Celtics don't belong in this conversation. I personally believe that JB deserves more respect but this year's team only had 1 AllNBA player and plenty of people don't think he's top 5. Doesn't compare to a team with prime James and Wade.

The current Celtics could give them a hard time mainly due to playing style with all the threes but they've got 1 AllNBA player and only 2 Allstars. Great team but not stacked.

Seems true if people were to look at the history of some main guys in that heat team. Wade, for instance, already had a ring and finals mvp in his resume when the trio was formed rt.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Celtics played bums on their way to the Finals and Porzingis dominated game 1 in his limited minutes vs Dallas. And I expect him to continue to play, doctors say it's a pain tolerance thing.

none of which proves them to be a stacked team.

And this is simply false. Bosh missed tons of big games during their 2012 run.

If this series goes 7 games and KP plays all of them he will have played 10 games to Bosh 14. And what about the other years?

[1987_Lakers]

none of which proves them to be a stacked team.

If this series goes 7 games and KP plays all of them he will have played 10 games to Bosh 14. And what about the other years?

What about the other years? How about 2013 when Wade was playing on a bad knee in the playoffs and only averaged 16 ppg in the playoffs.

Your only explanation to why Miami is more stacked is "They teamed up". From top to bottom Boston is more talented, any logical person can see this.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What about the other years? How about 2013 when Wade was playing on a bad knee in the playoffs and only averaged 16 ppg in the playoffs.

Your only explanation to why Miami is more stacked is "They teamed up". From top to bottom Boston is more talented, any logical person can see this.

1: I already pointed out how Miami got much more out of Bosh.

2: in 2013 Miami got 3 Allstars. The scoring numbers were not impressive by the standards of today but it was a good supporting cast in the regular season for James. They did fall off in the playoffs but they were ok by the standards of the time.

[1987_Lakers]

1: I already pointed out how Miami got much more out of Bosh.

2: in 2013 Miami got 3 Allstars. The scoring numbers were not impressive by the standards of today but it was a good supporting cast in the regular season for James. They did fall off in the playoffs but they were ok by the standards of the time.

And the 2015 Hawks had 4 All-stars.

Look, if both teams met in a series all healthy, I would probably go with Miami just because we are talking about peak LeBron with the best cast he ever had going up against a team who's best player hasn't proven he can take over with his scoring in crucial games, but if we are looking at both teams from top to bottom, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Miami is more stacked.

I understand that you are one of the most stubborn users on this forum, but facts are facts. In no world are Bosh, old Allen, Chalmers, & Battier better players than Porzingis, Holiday, White, & old Horford.

[Axe]

And the 2015 Hawks had 4 All-stars.

Look, if both teams met in a series all healthy, I would probably go with Miami just because we are talking about peak LeBron with the best cast he ever had going up against a team who's best player hasn't proven he can take over with his scoring in crucial games, but if we are looking at both teams from top to bottom, you cannot tell me with a straight face that Miami is more stacked.

I understand that you are one of the most stubborn users on this forum, but facts are facts. In no world are Bosh, old Allen, Chalmers, & Battier better players than Porzingis, Holiday, White, & old Horford.

Too bad ImKobe wouldn't comprehend any of this tho, will just continue to think that kong played in a 'relatively weak east' and took advantage of it.