BREAKING: Grizzlies Trade Bane to Magic

[Real Men Wear Green]

What does Dallas have to do with Orlando? That comparison makes no sense.

Saw on ESPN that the trade is actually Cole Anthony, KCP, and 5 first round picks or pick swaps.

[theman93]

I'm pointing out that just because a team was not a serious factor the year prior, does not mean they won't be a serious factor the following season. Dallas is the perfect example of that. Do you disagree?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

[theman93]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

Lol it's completely relevant, it just counters your argument. The same exact scenario happened to Phoenix in 2020/2021. The fact is mediocre teams can go on to compete for championships with the right roster construction and player development.

Regarding the trade specifically, Cole is a below average shooter and undersized defender who gets taken advantage of. Not much of a loss. KCP can play, but he had a horrendous year and Bane is a significant upgrade. Losing four 1st round picks isn't ideal, but considering these picks will mostly be in the 20's while also over the next 3 drafts still having Denver's 1st this year and our 2027 1st I'm not really worried about it. That's in addition to Black, Da Silva, and Howard who just finished either their rookie or sophomore campaigns. We have plenty of young talent to still develop.

[John8204]

They have Banchero on his rookie deal for one or two more seasons...so I guess it makes sense to go all in.

[ImKobe]

I am pointing out the fact that almost no one leaps from the lottery to the Finals. In fact Dallas tanked deciding that a lottery pick was more valuable than being a play-in team. And that doesn't begin to touch on the fact we are talking about two completely different rosters. It's not relevant.

What is relevant is the fact that the Magic potentially gave up a Tom Thibodeau rotation for one player that has yet to make the allstar team. Bane is good I don't want to sound disrespectful of him but to be worth four first and a first round pick swap we should be talking about one of the best guards in the league. He could go out there, average a very consistent 20/5/5 for the next four years and help Orlando make playoff runs lasting between 6 and 10 games consistently. Problem is they could be that level of team without him. They gave up 5 or 6 potential rotation players, depending on how you look at it, along with two guys that have shown they are good enough to play some minutes in the NBA. The draft is part of how teams are infused with fresh talent, in fact its the main way. If you screw it up for a long period of time you potentially waste your franchise player's early years. They hit themselves with the Joe Smith penalty.

And Thibs hasn't been close to winning a title since he was an assistant in Boston. He's 48-55 in the Playoffs as HC.

Magic still has a great defense and now they've addressed their biggest need. Those 5-6 potential rotation players are not really worth keeping when you already have a talented young cast and are close to being a contender in the East.

Magic didn't want to be another EC team that's great on defense and below-average on offense. Bane makes a lot of sense for them and he has a team-friendly contract as an all-star caliber SG.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lol it's completely relevant, it just counters your argument. The same exact scenario happened to Phoenix in 2020/2021. The fact is mediocre teams can go on to compete for championships with the right roster construction and player development.

Regarding the trade specifically, Cole is a below average shooter and undersized defender who gets taken advantage of. Not much of a loss. KCP can play, but he had a horrendous year and Bane is a significant upgrade. Losing four 1st round picks isn't ideal, but considering these picks will mostly be in the 20's while also over the next 3 drafts still having Denver's 1st this year and our 2027 1st I'm not really worried about it. That's in addition to Black, Da Silva, and Howard who just finished either their rookie or sophomore campaigns. We have plenty of young talent to still develop.

There is no relevance. Neither Dallas nor Phoenix have anything to do with Orlando. So you have any idea how many more .500 teams go on to never make a conference Final? Your examples have nothing to do with anything.

[Real Men Wear Green]

And Thibs hasn't been close to winning a title since he was an assistant in Boston. He's 48-55 in the Playoffs as HC.

No idea why you brought this up.

Magic still has a great defense and now they've addressed their biggest need. Those 5-6 potential rotation players are not really worth keeping when you already have a talented young cast and are close to being a contender in the East.

If you have a good front office you will get some good players out of 5 first round picks. You miss on all five first rounders your GM needs to be replaced.

Magic didn't want to be another EC team that's great on defense and below-average on offense. Bane makes a lot of sense for them and he has a team-friendly contract as an all-star caliber SG.

Bane makes sense for 2 or 3 picks. 5 picks should be getting you a star. Overpaying for talent is never a good idea.

[999Guy]

This trade is only as good as the draft picks Memphis got.

KCP is past prime and Anthony is average.

Orlando is immediately better.

JJJ should go without question if they’re making big moves. Hideously overpaid and barely above average. Bane’s been better his entire career.

Make no mistake, Memphis just traded it’s longtime second best player.

[Meticode]

Orlando is just trying to copy what the Knicks did the previous season with Mikal Bridges. They they traded for bridges they gave up:

Bojan Bogdanovic
Mamadi Diakite
Shake Milton
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2025
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2027
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2029
unprotected 1st-round pick in 2031
unprotected pick swap in 2028
top-four protected 2025 1st-round pick via Bucks
2nd round pick in 2025

[ralph_i_el]

We'll see. Two small guard lineups don't work in today's NBA usually. Especially when one has t-rex arms. Hopefully Bane can find his form from two and three seasons ago. He regressed this past season.

Suggs is a small guard?

[theman93]

There is no relevance. Neither Dallas nor Phoenix have anything to do with Orlando. So you have any idea how many more .500 teams go on to never make a conference Final? Your examples have nothing to do with anything.

That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m paralleling similar situations which Orlando is trying to emulate. I get it you don’t like giving up that many assets, but Cole and KCP had negative trade value and we still have four 1st rounders over the next 7 years. That’s fine by me to upgrade our biggest weakness that’s been a black eye on this franchise for years.

[Chick Stern]

That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m paralleling similar situations which Orlando is trying to emulate. I get it you don’t like giving up that many assets, but Cole and KCP had negative trade value and we still have four 1st rounders over the next 7 years. That’s fine by me to upgrade our biggest weakness that’s been a black eye on this franchise for years.

[Meticode]

Suggs is a small guard?

Tinny tiny.

[Axe]

We had to because we’ve been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams the past few years. Indiana isn’t some world beater. Finally give Paolo and Franz some space to operate and I see no reason why we can’t compete for the East.

They ain't winning shit lmao. At least not in the next few years.