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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    The movie I think is probably the most overrated on the list is the Wolf of Wall Street. I won't dispute it's well made and entertaining, but I found it to be an ultimately hollow and extremely one note movie. To me it's essentially look at how crazy these wall street guys are, they do drugs, eat goldfish, toss midgets!.
    You could say the same about Goodfellas. What profound statement is that film really trying to make? Don't be a gangster?

    They're just cautionary tales.

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    The Town is another.

    Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.



    but they went with Gone Girl instead?
    It's Fincher. He's your favorite director's favorite director.

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    01. Parasite (Bong Joon Ho)
    02. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch)
    03. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson)
    04. In the Mood For Love (Wong Kar Wai)
    05. Moonlight (Barry Jenkins)
    06. No Country For Old Men (Joel & Ethan Coen)
    07. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry)
    08. Get Out (Jordan Peele)
    09. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki)
    10. The Social Network (David Fincher)

    Man did they really want to push POC on this list. Not saying those films aren't top 100, but top 10 is a little absurd

    11. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller)
    12. The Zone of Interest (Jonathan Glazer)
    13. Children of Men (Alfonso Cuaron)
    14. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino)
    15. City of God (Fernando Meirelles)
    16. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee)
    17. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee)
    18. Y Tu Mama Tambien (Alfonso Cuaron)
    19. Zodiac (David Fincher)
    20. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese)

    Putting Cuaron and Lee twice before Nolan is shady as hell. Life of Pi should be Lee's first film on the list.

    21. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson)
    22. The Grand Budapest Hotel (Wes Anderson)
    23. Boyhood (Richard Linklater)
    24. Her (Spike Jonze)
    25. Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson)
    26. Anatomy of a Fall (Justine Triet)
    27. Adaptation (Spike Jonze)
    28. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan)
    29. Arrival (Denis Villeneuve)
    30. Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola)

    Anatomy of a Fall in the top 30 is insane, also Arrival over Sicaro, Dune. It is nice that they moved on from the 50/50 rule in the top twenty. In a generation defined by animation only 1 in the top 30 is weird.

    31. The Departed (Martin Scorsese)
    32. Bridesmaids (Paul Feig)
    33. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi)
    34. WALL-E Andrew Stanton)
    35. A Prophet (Jacques Audiard)
    36. A Serious Man (Joel & Ethan Coen)
    37. Call Me By Your Name (Luca Guadagnino)
    38. Portrait of A Lady on Fire (Celine Sciamma)
    39. Lady Bird (Greta Gerwig)
    40. Yi Yi (Edward Yang)

    WallE should be in the top ten but the rest should be much lower on the list.

    41. Amelie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet)
    42. The Master (Paul Thomas Anderson)
    43. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook)
    44. Once Upon A Time in Hollywood (Quentin Tarantino)
    45. Moneyball (Bennett Miller)
    46. ROMA (Alfonso Cuaron)
    47. Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe)
    48. The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel Von Donnersmarck)
    49. Before Sunset (Richard Linklater)
    50. Up! (Pete Docter)

    Moneyball as a top 50 film is insane, Almost Famous could have been in the top ten. Also Lord of the Rings not in the top 50 but most of Cauron's ouvre is...Innuritu and Villenueve can I guess go f themselves huh.


    51. 12 Years A Slave (Steve McQueen)
    52. The Favourite (Yorgos Lanthimos)
    53. Borat (Larry Charles)
    54. Pan’s Labyrinth (Guillermo Del Toro)
    55. Inception (Christopher Nolan)
    56. Punch-Drunk Love (Paul Thomas Anderson)
    57. Best in Show (Christopher Guest)
    58. Uncut Gems (Josh and Benny Safdie)
    59. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade)
    60. Whiplash (Damien Chazelle)

    Well I guess I have to see Toni Erdmann been putting that one off. Whiplash feels really low as does Best in Show. I would not have put Punch Drunk Love and Borat on this list. Crazy Adam Sandler's got two films in the top 60.

    61. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (Quentin Tarantino)
    62. Memento (Christopher Nolan)
    63. Little Miss Sunshine (Dayton & Faris)
    64. Gone Girl (David Fincher)
    65. Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)
    66. Spotlight (Tom McCarthy)
    67. TAR (Todd Field)
    68. The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow)
    69. Under The Skin (Jonathan Glazer)
    70. Let The Right One In (Tomas Alfredson)

    Might be the best 10 of the group...minus TAR.

    71. Ocean’s Eleven (Steven Soderbergh)
    72. Carol (Todd Haynes)
    73. Ratatouille (Brad Bird)
    74. The Florida Project (Sean Baker)
    75. Amour (Michael Haneke)
    76. O Brother, Where Art Thou (Joel & Ethan Coen)
    77. Everything Everywhere All At Once (The Daniels)
    78. Aftersun (Charlotte Wells)
    79. Tree of Life (Terrence Malick)
    80. Volver (Pedro Almodovar)

    And this might be the worst...Pedro Almodovar doesn't show up until the 80's. Aftersun does not belong on this list. Amour is a good spot but The White Ribbon could have been 1.

    81. Black Swan (Darren Aronofsky)
    82. The Act of Killing (Joshua Oppenheimer)
    83. Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel & Ethan Coen)
    84. Melancholia (Lars Von Trier)
    85. Anchorman (Adam McKay)
    86. Past Lives (Celine Song)
    87. The Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson)
    88. The Gleaners and I (Agnes Varda)
    89. Interstellar (Christopher Nolan)
    90. Frances Ha (Noah Baumbach)

    WTF, I get the shame of having Super Hero movies and Harry Potter on this list but LOTR should have been safe not buried all the way down here. Also Agnes Varda made the cut before Innaritu


    91. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold)
    92. Gladiator (Ridley Scott)
    93. Michael Clayton (Tony Gilroy)
    94. Minority Report (Steven Spielberg)
    95. The Worst Person in the World (Joachim Trier)
    96. Black Panther (Ryan Coogler)
    97. Gravity (Alfonso Cuaron)
    98. Grizzly Man (Werner Herzog)
    99. Memories of A Murder (Bong Joon-ho)
    100. Superbad (Greg Motolla)

    So they basically wanted to start and end the list with Bong Joon-Ho. Black Panther over Avengers and Spiderman films just no...

    So for me the list is 98

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baller234 View Post
    You could say the same about Goodfellas. What profound statement is that film really trying to make? Don't be a gangster?

    They're just cautionary tales.
    I'm not saying a movie has to have a message to be great, Wolf of Wall Street's plot just felt gimmicky to me, I got the gist they did outrageous shit very quickly and it just felt repetitive after a while.

    GoodFellas is a masterpiece that is literally several tiers better than Wolf of Wall Street, even if I get the point you were trying to make, I don't care for that comparison

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Idk, I think Parasite & There Will Be Blood for great arguments for #1. Interstellar is way too low, I agree.

    They put "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but I think "Amores Perros" was a better Mexican movie.
    This is one of the ten biggest snubs, picking every LGBT option just feels like pandering to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawkFactory View Post
    I mean you’re entitled to your opinion

    Glad to see Zone of Interest so high. Almost nobody talked about it because of Oppenheimer/Barbie but I thought it was the best movie of the year, and the year was stacked.
    Once again I think The White Ribbon should have gotten in over Zone of Interest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    You win, I’ve only seen around 50 of them.
    I'm at 98..so I guess I'll finish this list.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Dark Knight is the only superhero movie that should be on the list.
    Certainly over Black Panther and the terrible CGI Rhinos. I would have liked to see them be brave and put Super on the list, but Logan and Deadpool both should have made the cut.


    Quote Originally Posted by Doomsday Dallas View Post
    Sicario needs to be added to the list.
    Prisoners also and Blade Runner and Dune...really Villeneuve only showing up for Arrival and Lanthimos only showing up for The Favorite reeks of DEI. But Sicario could have made the cut.

    Quote Originally Posted by Off the Court View Post
    Highest rated IMDB not included on the list is The Prestige

    probably should be on there.
    I agree that's in my top ten from this generation

    Quote Originally Posted by Doomsday Dallas View Post
    The Town is another.

    Ben Affleck's greatest career accomplishment after Good Will Hunting.

    but they went with Gone Girl instead?
    Affleck could have been snubbed and I would have been fine with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Yea, Gangs of New York was good, but I don't remember being blown away from it. Daniel Day was great as always, Leo was annoying as shit, never liked him as an actor until 2006 or so. Man on Fire wasn't that great either.

    I enjoyed 25th Hour more than both of those movies, which isn't on the list

    Hell, A History of Violence is a very good movie that doesn't get talked about anymore.
    Catch me if you Can belong on this list...Tom Hanks got robbed here, no Road to Perdition or Cast Away either.

    Sandler 2 - Hanks 0 figure that one out.

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    I'm not a fan of the Thanos avengers movies but spiderman and Deadpool actually had substance behind them. Deadpool funny as ****, and Spiderman had a legit plot.

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    You’re lame.
    Youre a decent guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawkFactory View Post
    Also…Gladiator to me is one of the more overrated movies ever. Watched it when I was 12 and was of course captivated but watched again as an adult and was completely underwhelmed.

    It’s really on the nose and not particularly interesting at all once you’ve already seen it.
    although not very inspirational

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    Gladiator is definitely a good movie, but I 100% feel the same way that you do, I thought it was a masterpiece when I saw it as a kid

    The movie I think is probably the most overrated on the list is the Wolf of Wall Street. I won't dispute it's well made and entertaining, but I found it to be an ultimately hollow and extremely one note movie. To me it's essentially look at how crazy these wall street guys are, they do drugs, eat goldfish, toss midgets!

    I don't think it should have even made the list, to have it top 20 is a total joke. Even if I concede it's not as well made, I liked Boiler Room better and thought it did a better job actually explaining the scams these firms were running.
    I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

    Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

    Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)
    I know they're both Scorsese movies, but I felt like the vibes of the two films couldn't have been more different. Obv there are several crazy things that happen to the characters in GoodFellas, but it really feels like it's genuinely a part of the story, it's not merely for show.

    In Wolf of Wall Street it felt like it was all for show, they portrayed everything happening far more as spectacle. And as you said, in a 3 hour movie, it gets a little old and repetitive after a while.

    And I say that as someone who genuinely thought Wolf of Wall Street was good, well made and relatively entertaining. I just found that it became incredibly overrated, the praise this movie got was wild to me And GoodFellas is legitimately several tiers ahead of it as a movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    I loved Wolf on Wall Street when it first came out, but now I see why it gets some hate. All the craziness in that movie does get redundant at some point, I can see people saying the same about Goodfellas, but the craziness really seemed to drag more in Wolf, it's a 3 hour movie after all, longer than Goodfellas. I think the fact that Goodfellas was the first of its kind in terms of face paced/craziness gives it some points, it was the original. When future movies (like Wall Street) tend to copy, it doesn't come off as great.

    Casino is basically Goodfellas in many ways, but it wasn't as well received. (Also thought Casino had too much narration)

    Goodfellas was amazing and Casino was meh as ****. Not enough interesting characters.

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