Kenyon Martin names 50 power forwards better than Draymond Green

[1987_Lakers]

So your take barely wins a poll and you think this is sufficient evidence?

[tontoz]

You have be kidding me.

Manu was better at every aspect except maybe off the dribble shooting.

- More efficient as a scorer
- Much better playmaker
- Better defender
- Better 3 point shooter

Jamal was a one dimensional player, 1 on 1 scorer. Basically the modern day Vinnie Johnson with better handles.

Seriously this isnt even a discussion. I was following the Hawks when Crawford when he was there and his laziness when he didn't have the ball in his hands was embarrassing. I don't think i ever saw anything even resembling hustle on defense, on the boards or pursuing loose balls.

[GOBB]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie....php?t=2222578

Well, there goes that argument.

Funny enough, OP made that thread because he also heard what Arenas said. I'm guessing Arenas has been saying this for years.

Years? He said it on a podcast where his clip went viral and a debate as who was the GOAT 6th man. For someone that runs to find links to post you sure don’t do much research if it doesn’t help your argument/opinion. Why is that? Like 37 people on realgm ends a debate. There we have it. Nothing to see here. Are they wrong? No. Is it their opinions? Yes. Is Gilbert opinion a fact? No. Gilbert favors scorers moreso than Swiss Army knife players. A player who can do a little bit of this little bit of that etc. agree to disagree. Individually Gil feels Crawford is the better player.

[1987_Lakers]

Years? He said it on a podcast where his clip went viral and a debate as who was the GOAT 6th man. For someone that runs to find links to post you sure don’t do much research if it doesn’t help your argument/opinion. Why is that? Like 37 people on realgm ends a debate. There we have it. Nothing to see here. Are they wrong? No. Is it their opinions? Yes. Is Gilbert opinion a fact? No. Gilbert favors scorers moreso than Swiss Army knife players. A player who can do a little bit of this little bit of that etc. agree to disagree. Individually Gil feels Crawford is the better player.

Nobody in this thread or in that thread I linked thinks Jamal was better.

Just take the L.

I lost brain cells listening to that Gilbert Arenas podcast for their God awful takes.

[GOBB]

Nobody in this thread or in that thread I linked thinks Jamal was better.

Just take the L.

I lost brain cells listening to that Gilbert Arenas podcast for their God awful takes.

What L? You’re weird.

[1987_Lakers]

I see nothing wrong with Crawford being better than Manu. When the hell did Manu become better?

This L.

[GOBB]

This L.

You don’t even know nor posted the argument Gilbert made in reference to Manu and Jamal Crawford. You sat there and posted about defense and rebounding. When that was never up for discussion when Gilbert said what he did. Like I said you’re weird.

You didn’t even know where the Draymond and Kmart issue stemmed from. For a guy who runs back and from to grab links. You sure as hell drop the ball doing research to give any context to what it is being said. Hilarious.

[1987_Lakers]

You don’t even know nor posted the argument Gilbert made in reference to Manu and Jamal Crawford.

I don't need to. All I heard was Gilbert saying Jamal was a better player than Ginobili and it was enough for me to not take anything he says seriously.

[GOBB]

I don't need to. All I heard was Gilbert saying Jamal was a better player than Ginobili and it was enough for me to not take anything he says seriously.

You don’t need to Lol Thank you for admitting this. This is all I really wanted to hear.

[1987_Lakers]

People actually take this podcast seriously?

- Popovich was a bad coach
- Gasol brothers were better than Jokic
- Iggy better than Kawhi
- Lamar Odom just as good as Anthony Davis

[L.Kizzle]

The K Mart-Dray debate is wild.
Martin's peak scoring his is a whole 2 points higher than Dray. Martin had four games over 30 points to Drays once.
Martin only had double digit assist once, his high being 11. Dray has done in 194 times.
Dray also led the league in steals. Martin never led the league in any statistical category.

And yes, my Jarrett Alln comparison stands. About 15 PFs were better than Martin just in his era.

[tpols]

People actually take this podcast seriously?

- Popovich was a bad coach
- Gasol brothers were better than Jokic
- Iggy better than Kawhi
- Lamar Odom just as good as Anthony Davis

Believe it or not, everything is closer than it seems.

[Xiao Yao You]

The K Mart-Dray debate is wild.
Martin's peak scoring his is a whole 2 points higher than Dray. Martin had four games over 30 points to Drays once.
Martin only had double digit assist once, his high being 11. Dray has done in 194 times.
Dray also led the league in steals. Martin never led the league in any statistical category.

And yes, my Jarrett Alln comparison stands. About 15 PFs were better than Martin just in his era.

Martin played in an era of a slower pace when pf were a thing. Some teams dont even play a 4 anymore and if they do they are generally more of a small forward type or even guard in martins day. Draymond would probably be a 3 in martins day. Really hard to compare. Rim runners like allen werent really a thing either

[L.Kizzle]

Martin played in an era of a slower pace when pf were a thing. Some teams dont even play a 4 anymore and if they do they are generally more of a small forward type or even guard in martins day. Draymond would probably be a 3 in martins day. Really hard to compare. Rim runners like allen werent really a thing either

I just looker at those Nets teams, he wasn't even the leading scorer. Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd were scoring more. My man's can't even outscore J-Kidd and he's yapping. Pack him up.

[GOBB]

The K Mart-Dray debate is wild.
Martin's peak scoring his is a whole 2 points higher than Dray. Martin had four games over 30 points to Drays once.
Martin only had double digit assist once, his high being 11. Dray has done in 194 times.
Dray also led the league in steals. Martin never led the league in any statistical category.

And yes, my Jarrett Alln comparison stands. About 15 PFs were better than Martin just in his era.

First you’re comparing two different eras. The game aren’t remotely close to being the same from a pace/scoring aspect. Second Jarrett Allen is a center. Kmart is a 4 who could guard multiple positions. Especially elite perimeter scorers.