Why do people say "Lebron has all the stats" when Magic has APG and MJ has PPG

[3ba11]

He and Jokic rule the advanced stats? (Aint that a cute was of saying Jokic passed him) But Lebron doesnt despite still having a few categories #1....after 23 seasons? You're lame bruh. All that would be great if per game stats were the only ones that matter, but they're literally only one section of basketball stats. They can matter the most in your opinion but that doesnt mean shit for me or anyone else thats at least somewhat objective. And ill say it again. The fact Lebron still ranks as high as he does 23 seasons in is amazing in itself. I can damn near guarantee you there's maybe only a guy or 2 aside from him high as he is on any one list with even a comparable mileage. And by comparable we're still talking 3 seasons or more less. More gamewinners in the postseason. Beat better teams. Won with fvmp anywhere hes played. The .most versatile champion the league has ever seen. Bron that dude.

Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

So again, he's nowhere near the best at anything, which is disqualifying for goat.. (low per game rankings in every category, for his entire career)

Regarding game-winners in the postseason, his efficiency on those winners is all-time bad and he's 0-10 on the championship level - this doesn't compare to Jordan.

Regarding "beating better teams" - Jordan's opponents would look amazing too if he lost to them

Regarding winning with 3 different teams - he mostly lost with 3 different teams and was a perennial loser with 3 different teams... 1 for 6 with AD is a joke or 1 for 4 with Love and Wade (except the Allen miracle).. 50+ guys in history would do better than this... Regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't get anywhere near a 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Regarding versatility - he's been the primary ballhandler for every team that he played for, so that's his skillset - this ball-dominance had the most bad fits and teammate craterings EVER, thereby confirming that he isn't versatile.. He's just a high-scoring primary ball-handler, aka ball-dominator.. And a sub-par shooter on 2's, 3's, and FT's

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

Oh they have, have they? You are SUCH a little weasel

[sdot_thadon]

Oh they have, have they? You are SUCH a little weasel

I prefer the term blatant delusional liar, but to each their own

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron's mileage is irrelevant because his career per game rankings have been low for his entire career, in every category..

So again, he's nowhere near the best at anything, which is disqualifying for goat.. (low per game rankings in every category, for his entire career)

Regarding game-winners in the postseason, his efficiency on those winners is all-time bad and he's 0-10 on the championship level - this doesn't compare to Jordan.

Regarding "beating better teams" - Jordan's opponents would look amazing too if he lost to them

Regarding winning with 3 different teams - he mostly lost with 3 different teams and was a perennial loser with 3 different teams... 1 for 6 with AD is a joke or 1 for 4 with Love and Wade (except the Allen miracle).. 50+ guys in history would do better than this... Regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't get anywhere near a 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ

Regarding versatility - he's been the primary ballhandler for every team that he played for, so that's his skillset - this ball-dominance had the most bad fits and teammate craterings EVER, thereby confirming that he isn't versatile.. He's just a high-scoring primary ball-handler, aka ball-dominator.. And a sub-par shooter on 2's, 3's, and FT's

Whatever lala land you live in is wild. None of that flies here in real life. The whole reason you guys get so triggered at the mention of Lebron's stats are because they've always been at all time great levels dummy. You cant change history when its documented everywhere. And yeah more postseason game winners than MJ
...forever. never gonna change. Beat the team with the best record in nba history, too late to cry now. And the 2013 - 2014 Spurs shit on any team MJs ever seen on a playoffs court outside the 80s Celtics. They definitely outclass his finals comp. And yes he won in every city he landed in with a FMVP. Don't think anyone else can really relate to that.

And lastly yeah his versatility is nearly unprecedented. This guy has evolved constantly throughout his career and you missed it because of your shallow view of basketball. Hes played on ball, off ball, anchored defenses, led the league in assists, led the league in scoring. Took squads full of role players to the finals, balanced squads with other stars of many different styles and have took most if not all to the finals. Hes been great with no jumper, with a decent mid range, with a post game, with outside shooting. With a "bag" Hes done nearly anything you can do on a court. Right now you're watching him even further evolve his game 23 years in. Mike is the ****ing man, but so is Lebron buddy.

[tpols]

Apparently Scottie Pippen thinks hes the GOAT.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Qb9V_O7XH...RPpBFsuWhDr-3M

[3ba11]

Whatever lala land you live in is wild. None of that flies here in real life. The whole reason you guys get so triggered at the mention of Lebron's stats are because they've always been at all time great levels dummy. You cant change history when its documented everywhere. And yeah more postseason game winners than MJ
...forever. never gonna change. Beat the team with the best record in nba history, too late to cry now. And the 2013 - 2014 Spurs shit on any team MJs ever seen on a playoffs court outside the 80s Celtics. They definitely outclass his finals comp. And yes he won in every city he landed in with a FMVP. Don't think anyone else can really relate to that.

And lastly yeah his versatility is nearly unprecedented. This guy has evolved constantly throughout his career and you missed it because of your shallow view of basketball. Hes played on ball, off ball, anchored defenses, led the league in assists, led the league in scoring. Took squads full of role players to the finals, balanced squads with other stars of many different styles and have took most if not all to the finals. Hes been great with no jumper, with a decent mid range, with a post game, with outside shooting. With a "bag" Hes done nearly anything you can do on a court. Right now you're watching him even further evolve his game 23 years in. Mike is the ****ing man, but so is Lebron buddy.

Lebron has the longest list of bad fits and teammate craterings ever, so he isn't versatile - he's just a dumb ball-dominator that is everyone's bitch - he has a losing playoff record against everyone (TWolves, Nuggets, Suns, Mavs, Magic, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs)

Secondly, the 97' and 98' Jazz would be considered the goat team if they beat the Bulls, so the only reason Lebron's opponents look great to fans like you is because Lebron lost to them.. The 14' Spurs were a fossil team, but they had ball movement and that's all a team needs to beat ball-dominance (inferior basketball).

Lebron lost 3 times with the best roster in the league (preseason favorite) in 2011, 2014 and 2021, while losing by record amount with a super-team in 3017.. The guy is a joke and laughing stock to many fans.. Many fathers tell their sons "don't be like this bitch" (flopper, colluder, whiner, load manager, insecure,:etc, etc)
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[sdot_thadon]

Lebron has the longest list of bad fits and teammate craterings ever, so he isn't versatile - he's just a dumb ball-dominator that is everyone's bitch - he has a losing playoff record against everyone (TWolves, Nuggets, Suns, Mavs, Magic, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs)

Actually....real world speaking again.....he has the longest list of fits to win a title or even attempt in a finals of anyone aside from maybe Russell or Kareem. He's been successful without needed a specific sidekick, coach, offense, or franchise. He's also figured out the fit each time well enough to reach the finals and in some cases win as the main guy. He has lost in his later years, hes great yet not the terror he once was. Thats clear. But you being an idiot is just as clear at this point.

Secondly, the 97' and 98' Jazz would be considered the goat team if they beat the Bulls, so the only reason Lebron's opponents look great to fans like you is because Lebron lost to them.. The 14' Spurs were a fossil team, but they had ball movement and that's all a team needs to beat ball-dominance (inferior basketball)

They would be called the goat team spamming a less dynamic version of what you've been hating on Lebron for doing for a ridiculous chunk of your life? Tell me more about how winning just 2 more games basically changes who they were historically as a team..... the 2016 warriors are still highly regarded despite not finishing the job. The jazz? Yeah ok. Like we wouldn't have made a million and 1 excuses for why Mj didn't win.

Lebron lost 3 times with the best roster in the league (preseason favorite) in 2011, 2014 and 2021, while losing by record amount with a super-team in 3017.. The guy is a joke and laughing stock to many fans.. Many fathers tell their sons "don't be like this bitch" (flopper, colluder, whiner, load manager, insecure,:etc, etc) .

Keeping in the whole reality premise my current string of posts lie in: He's a joke amd a laughing stock to only a certain, easy to spot coming from a mile away, segment of fans. Nobody gives a shit but them and by extension you bruh. No amount of crying will change where Lebron stands. Told your silly ass years it wouldn't be worth the effort.

[3ba11]

Actually....real world speaking again.....he has the longest list of fits to win a title or even attempt in a finals of anyone aside from maybe Russell or Kareem. He's been successful without needed a specific sidekick, coach, offense, or franchise. He's also figured out the fit each time well enough to reach the finals and in some cases win as the main guy. He has lost in his later years, hes great yet not the terror he once was. Thats clear. But you being an idiot is just as clear at this point.

Lebron failed to reach Jordan caliber more times than anyone by going 1 for 6 with AD, or 1 for 4 with two Big 3's (except the Allen miracle)

So regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't reach 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ or Kobe

Keep in mind how shaky the 2 for 4 was with Miami - it was a teammate bailout and a win over babies bookended by the goat choke and record loss - that's the worst anyone can do.. Lebron never won a regular chip, aka no teammate bailout or shortened season, and no 2nd option chips

[StrongLurk]

Lebron has all the stats.

[3ba11]

Lebron has all the stats.

He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)

So no

[SouBeachTalents]

He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)
And he does

Now do this same comparison with LeBron & Kobe.

[3ba11]

Now do this same comparison with LeBron & Kobe.

We already know that Lebron has the frequency stats over Kobe, but Kobe's scoring diversity gave him the team offense/chemistry and teammate elevation aspects over Lebron... That's why Kobe was automatic once he got a 2nd option (Pau) that was worse than Lebron's 3rd option (Bosh or Love), aka Kobe needed less help because his superior skills/IQ produced better chemistry/fits (and therefore team ceiling/Finals records)

[StrongLurk]

Lebron has all the stats.

[3ba11]

Lebron has all the stats.

He only has stats that measure HOW LONG he played, but doesn't have any of the stats that measure CALIBER, such as frequency or per game stats, aka dominance stats

In the case of Jordan vs Lebron, Jordan has PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, FT%, TO's, PER, BPM, WS/48, VORP, possessions used (usage), efficiency on possessions used (ORTG), plus/minus, raptor.... Meanwhile, Lebron has APG (ball-dominance), TS (drive-heavy attack/ball-dominance), and DREB (positional stat)

So no

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron has all the stats.

Indeed.