Shaq in 1997 western conference finals

[Kblaze8855]

Jordan's low in a series was 27 ppg, so no... that doesn't compare to any of the other examples you gave

Ive read about Jordan shooting like shit vs the Knicks in that must win game in 93 and it’s rarely mentioned we were up like 20 early and it never became a game. But 3-18 looks real bad even if it’s of no consequence and largely during a blowout.

A whole lot of series average skewing things happen that don’t matter nearly as much as they change the averages and points people use down the line.

[JBSptfn]

22 ppg.

4-1 Jazz.

Just saying, even the most dominant center ever couldn't get it done without help.

That was the Western Semifinals, not the Finals.

[gengiskhan]

22 ppg.

4-1 Jazz.

Just saying, even the most dominant center ever couldn't get it done without help.

BS.

Kobe "choked". plain and simple.

Just like Kobe choked and sabotaged 2004 Finals.

Just like Kobe choked away 2008 NBA Finals despite being reigning season MVP.

If we are so tough on LBJ for choking away 2007 NBA Finals and 2011 NBA Finals......Lets be atleast fair and consistent.


BUT.....BUT......BUT....!!!

but our beloved Mamba's Circumcised head was only 18 YO. he is allowed to shoot 4 air balls!

well. lets be fair and consistent.......AGAIN!.

so was 20 YO Magic as a rookie in his first NBA Finals but did not choke and won FMVP.

so was some Freshman named Mike Jordan 18 YO in NCAA final four and was clutch and won Championship.

Just think how easily 18 YO MJ could've choked in 1982 Final Four vs Phi Slama Jama Clyde and Hakeem and Ewing!... all showed up in 1982 final four.

18 YO Freshman Mike Jordan could've followed his then sophomore captain James Worthy who choked away 1981 NCAA Finals to Zeke and Bobby Knight.

[SATAN]

Ive read about Jordan shooting like shit vs the Knicks in that must win game in 93 and it’s rarely mentioned we were up like 20 early and it never became a game. But 3-18

[gengiskhan]

Ive read about Jordan shooting like shit vs the Knicks in that must win game in 93 and itÂ’s rarely mentioned we were up like 20 early and it never became a game. But 3-18 looks real bad even if itÂ’s of no consequence and largely during a blowout.

A whole lot of series average skewing things happen that donÂ’t matter nearly as much as they change the averages and points people use down the line.

I remember seeing that game live. yes. MJ had a bad day. look at it in the whole context.

1993 NYK were the best team in the NBA. favorites to win a ring. 1993 Rodman also broke 1993 MJs wrist in a very physical reg season game. I remember that vividly. 1993 Cavs re-injured 1993 Jordan's wrist injury in ECSF. He had one of the low scoring game there too probably Game 2 of ECSF.

I remember game 2 at MSG. MJ had a bit awkward fall in game 2 early 4th. some re-aggrevation of wrist as he fell on it. But he never discloses injuries to anyone to not give opposition like physical NYK with excellent defense an upper hand.

3/18 may look bad. and it is. 1993 NYK were the best defensive team in the NBA. very physical. very quick on lateral defensive movements. Starks in his peak prime defensively. MJ knowing his wrist is acting up, he had tons of FTs. Physical knicks also fell into the trap of fouling MJ. I remember that game on NBC. MJ kept baiting knicks double triple teams. picking up easy assists. as pippen was left 1-on-1 and had a very good game.

But remember. 30 yrs old MJ was in the peak. if there was ever a game where MJ should've had a career low, single digit playoff game scoring wise. this was it. no more than 7-9 pts max. How well MJ played this game by inciting triple team. getting to FT line. collecting easy points and dishing easy assist is a clinic in itself. see that game again if you can. pippen, pax, bj collected some easiest points.

defensively MJ pissed off doc and starks big time. starks got so mad. he kicked the ball into crowd got kicked out I believe.

My point is. Jordan never needed a ball in his hands to win the game. If he had an off night. His defense in his peak prime was so tenacious and suffocating. many times opponents forgot. 1993 MJ was steals leader and DPOY runner-up only to Hakeem at age 30. time and time again he turned it up. like 1993 ECSF vs Cavs and 1993 ECF against NYKs.

1993 finals vs Suns. He did not needed it. so went crazy offensively. but when he turned it on. Both Dan and Ainge were pissed off.
A skill that LBJ and Kobe lack.

[tpols]

The Jazz swept Shaq in 1998 as well 4-0.

Utah opened the series up with a 35 point blowout win with Shaq totally shitting the bed. He shot 6/16 from the field, 7/16 from the line, had 7 TOVs, and was a game worst -33 in plus minus. BIG trash.

Utah basically brutalized him in the PnR, which wouldn't bode well for a transplant to today's game.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Jazz swept Shaq in 1998 as well 4-0.

Utah opened the series up with a 35 point blowout win with Shaq totally shitting the bed. He shot 6/16 from the field, 7/16 from the line, had 7 TOVs, and was a game worst -33 in plus minus. BIG trash.

Utah basically brutalized him in the PnR, which wouldn't bode well for a transplant to today's game.

He averaged 36/10 the rest of the series Compare that to his 3 "all-star" teammates

Jones: 15 ppg on 52%TS
Brickbe: 10 ppg on 48%TS
Van Exel: 10 ppg on 37%TS

[3ba11]

22 ppg.

4-1 Jazz.

Just saying, even the most dominant center ever couldn't get it done without help.

So Pippen's peak capability is a problem?.. that isn't good?

it isn't good performance period for a leading guy, let alone a good PEAK capability? is the low peak capability why Shaq said Pippen wasn't on scouting report? (system player, transition player)

[tpols]

He averaged 36/10 the rest of the series Compare that to his 3 "all-star" teammates

Jones: 15 ppg on 52%TS
Brickbe: 10 ppg on 48%TS
Van Exel: 10 ppg on 37%TS

That Game 1 set the tone. You don't lose by 35 back then without being demoralized. That's like losing by 50 today.