NBA Pre-Draft Media Day
The 2006 NBA Draft is Wednesday, June 28. On Tuesday, 15 of the top draft prospects met with the NBA media to talk about the big event.
Q: Do you think you're the best big-man prospect in this draft?
Aldridge: I don't want to get into [that] ... because I think every big man in this draft has a different style of play, so I wouldn't say I'm the best. But I take it as a compliment if they tell me that I might be one of the best big men in the draft. I wouldn't say I'm the best because everybody plays different.
Q: What about some of the critics that say you lack toughness and aggressiveness?
Aldridge: That's going to go away with time. As I get stronger, I'm going to be able to do more and that's going to get rid of all of that talk about not being tough and things like that.
Q: Your agent says he knows where you're going. Has he shared that with you?
Aldridge: No, he hasn't. He said anything can happen; he said that draft night is crazy. People trade up, trade down. So [no], he hasn't told me anything, but he said he has an idea.
Q: Do you keep in touch with Royal Ivey ... other guys from the University of Texas?
Aldridge: I talk to him all the time. He's actually coming up today, so he should be in town for the draft.
Q: Has he given you any advice?
Aldridge: Nah, he just said to keep working hard, stay focused, just wait for my time -- anything can happen on draft. Like I said, trade up, trade down or whatever.
Q: Have you talked to Texas-native Chris Bosh recently?
Aldridge: Well not recently, but before I did my workouts, I was talking to him every day (We were working out together every day.) And then I lost touch when I started my workouts, but he [said] some of the same things ...
Q: Did he let you know his feelings on the possibility of the Raptors drafting you?
Aldridge: No, I didn't know anything about that. I just started reading articles and people started telling me stuff. It's good to have someone of his caliber -- an All-Star -- saying good things about you . I'm honored that he would say good things about me.
Q: Describe your game in terms of your strengths.
Aldridge: I think my strengths right now are [that] I'm very mobile, I think I can guard different positions, I can shoot 15 to 18-foot [jumpers], I'm really long, I think I can block shots on defense or alter shots. And I think if I get down in the post right now, either my jumper or my sky hook can go in on anyone right now. So I think I'm very versatile, but with strength I can get better.
Q: Where do you see yourself going in the draft and would you be upset if you dropped at all?
Armstrong: Right now Iím just really happy. I just really donít know where Iím going, but Iím just glad I could be here. A couple of years ago I didnít expect to be here, but Iím here right now and just taking it all in.
Q: After working out with some of the teams, do you have a feeling of where you would like to go?
Armstrong: All of them were good. The staff all treated me well. I basically had the same workout with all of them. I canít really pick out one team.
Q: Is New Jersey a team you think fits your style?
Armstrong: New Jersey would be pretty good especially with Jason Kidd. They would definitely make me a better player. And itís right around the corner from home. Iím from New York and it would be good to have my friends and family around the corner from me.
Q: New Jersey needs a rebounder and they need a big guy, so you would fit their needs.
Armstrong: Yes, I would definitely help them out in that aspect. I know they need a rebounder and somebody to help more on defense on the inside. I would be a good fit right now.
Q: Are you nervous right now?
Armstrong: Not really. It really still hasnít hit me that itís about to happen. Tomorrow Iím pretty sure itís going to hit me and Iím going to be real happy and excited. My family is more excited about it than I am right now.
Q: How were your workouts?
Armstrong: They have been pretty good so far. They are not too bad. I have been working hard and just do what I do.
Q: Did maturity come in to play to get yourself disciplined and to get where you want to be?
Armstrong: There was a lot of maturity. But it didnít come from just one year it came from all four years being with Coach [Jim] Calhoun. Thatís what he teaches -- hard work and maturity and he wants you to be a man on and off the court. That has a lot to do with my success so far.
Q: What role did your family play in motivating you?
Armstrong: Itís real important to me. Thatís one of the other motivations that I have, my family. We were always in an apartment. Thatís the one thing I want to do, set my mother up in a nice place where she is comfortable and where she wants to be. I want her to live a great life. She is retired now and I am so proud that I can help her do that. I have been wanting to do that for her for years and itís finally coming true.
Q: How excited are you, being involved in the whole process, and possibly being the top pick overall?
Bargnani: Very exciting. It is a pleasure to be here in New York and I am very proud to represent my country. It is a dream that is starting to come true.
Q: How about playing with this type of media attention on you, the pressure?
Bargnani: Itís very strange. Usually, in my country, itís the soccer players who get this kind of attention, so itís very strange.
Q: You get compared to Dirk Nowitzki a lot. Do you model your game after him?
Bargnani: Heís a very good person and player, itís an honor to be compared to him. But of course he is another level of player. I will work hard to be the best player I can be.
Q: Are you upset you were unable to workout for NBA teams?
Bargnani: Yes. I am very upset, but unfortunately my league championship finished just a few days ago so I was unable to come and workout for NBA teams.
Q: How tall are you?
Q: What teams in particular came to scout you?
Bargnani: A lot of teams. Atlanta, Toronto, basically every team Ė it wasnít just one team that came.
Q: There are a lot of questions about you translating your game to the NBA. How do you think youíll fit?
Bargnani: Fit with the NBA style?
Bargnani: I think the biggest difference is that in the NBA there are a lot of big athletes compared to European athletes Ė that is the main difference in the leagues.
Q: What have you heard about where you might get drafted?
Brewer: Iíve heard anywhere from six to 14. I really donít worry too much about where Iím going to go. I know I worked out well with all the teams I visited, and I feel pretty confident about that. Iím just looking forward to tomorrow.
Q: Where do you want to go?
Brewer: I have no choice, so any team that picks me, Iím going to be happy. I really donít have a team that I prefer to play for. The NBA is the NBA. Itís a privilege to be there, so youíve got to take full advantage of it wherever you go.
Q: What kind of adjustments will you have to make?
Brewer: Iím going to have to knock down my jumpshot consistently and expand my range to NBA three-point range. I think I have the majority of the basic skills Ė being able to handle the ball, play different positions and being able to defend different positionsÖ I think being able to knock down shots consistently, night in and night out will be the biggest challenge for me, but I think I can do it. Itís a big transition from college to the pros, but I think the good players make that transition pretty easily. Youíre going to have to work hard at it, but I think Iíll be able to do it.
Q: How important is it to look good on Draft night?
Brewer: Itís important. It gets competitive. When you watch it on TV, you always remember whoís the worst dressed. I think everybodyís going to come out in their nicest clothes. Nobody wants to be on that worst dressed list.
Q: Who do you recall being on that worst dressed list in the past Drafts?
Brewer: Probably Karl Malone or Jalen Rose.
Q: Did your Dad give you any fashion advice?
Brewer: No. My Dadís pretty old school. He has his own style and I have mine. I saw what heís going to wear, and itís real nice. I have a different style. Itís not too flashy. Itís kind of laid back with a lot of different colors. Itís not going to be anything outrageous like a yellow or red suit, but itís going to be nice.
Q: What do you think your chances are of succeeding in the NBA?
Carney: I think I have a great chance, because in a lot of peopleís opinion I havenít even scratched my potential yet. If I get a lot of things corrected Ė ball-handling, keeping my feet moving right Ė Iíll be a much better player. Skill-wise, I have a long way to go. Iím working out with my trainer, and Tracy McGrady has worked with me on some things, so I think itís going to be a great outcome.
Q: What part of your game do you think will be the biggest asset to an NBA team?
Carney: Defense. If you canít defend then you wonít stay on the court, but if you defend you can stay out there for a while. People make a living on defense. Bruce Bowen, Ben WallaceÖ they get paid a lot of money just for that. If I can play great defense, I think I can bring a lot to any team.
Q: What position do you see yourself at playing the most?
Carney: I play the two and the three. Once I get my ball-handling corrected I think Iíll strictly play the two. I can make shots, Iím a dribble/driver, and I have multiple weapons on offense.
Q: Which of your workouts went the best and why?
Carney: Every workout I did something different, so all of them were kind of the same. I worked out for Phoenix. I shot the ball well, went to the hole, dunked on people and everything. With the Bobcats I defended well and locked people down. In other workouts I shot lights out. Itís a combination of everything, so I would say that most of my workouts were about the same.
Q: What was it like talking to and seeing the GMs and coaches knowing that they would be the ones deciding whether or not to pick you?
Carney: It was kind of intimidating, because once you see the head coach and the GM youíre like Ďthese are the head guysí. Youíve got to make a good impression, so you kind of tidy up your clothes, speak wellÖ Sometimes, you try and do too much, but after the first couple workouts you just relax and do your thing. I think they respected and liked that.
Q: What are you planning to wear to the Draft?
Carney: I just tried on my suit upstairs. Itís pretty nice. Iím not going to tell you all what it is, but itís nice.
Q: Has it all sunk in that the start of your NBA career is upon you?
Foye: Not really. Itís pretty surreal. Itís just crazy to me. Itís happening so quick. I think about the [college] season ending against Florida and how upset I was, and then I look at how a couple months later Iím as happy as Iíve ever been. I also donít think Iíve ever worked as hard. Sometimes when I play, Iím just high off life, just out there playing. Sometimes, Iím dead tired from traveling and everything, and I just go out there and still perform at the highest level. Hopefully, people are impressed at what I can do.
Q: You made two visits to the Celtics. What does that tell you?
Foye: It tells me a little something. You never know though, because anything can happen. Theyíre interested in drafting a point guard. They brought Marcus Williams back for a second time, and Rajon Rondo too. So, the thing that sticks out to me when I think about what the Celtics are trying to do is theyíre trying to draft a guard.
Q: Minnesota was supposed to show up to the workout, but didnít. What do you think their interest level is?
Foye: I think that [Danny] Ainge and [Kevin] McHale talk to each other, so [Ainge] can send word back on how I did. I donít think McHale had to come there and watch with his own eyes, because I know theyíre good friends.
Q: Do you feel comfortable with teams wanting you to play strictly point guard?
Foye: Yeah, people want me to play the straight point. Some people want me to be a combo guard.
Q: As a fan of the game, are you also interested in seeing who goes number one?
Foye: Yeah. Iím a fan like anyone else, so I want to see. Iím interested in what Torontoís going to do with their pick, because you donít know if theyíre even going to keep their pick yet. It depends. Some teams that arenít even in the picture may sneak up there in the top five, so Iím looking forward to seeing what happens.
Q: Will you be disappointed if you donít go in the top 10?
Foye: Not at all. How can you be disappointed to be drafted by the best league in the world, so Iíll just be happy to be drafted. Itís not about going in the top ten, itís about being the right fit for the team that picks you.
Q: Do you think you can be consistent on an every-night basis?
Gay: Definitely, that's why I've been doing all the things I've been doing these past 6-8 weeks. Just to be consistent throughout the long season and I'm prepared to do that every game.
Q: How has the past few weeks gone?
Gay: Anxious. It's been the longest, but then again the fastest few weeks -- however many weeks -- in my life. There's been a lot of hard work, a lot of workouts, but I've just been so anxious since that day at UConn.
Q: Are you happy with all the decisions you've made in your life basketball wise?
Gay: Yeah. I think God has blessed me with that. Just being there, making the right decisions, although sometimes you might question those decisions. But I think being blessed with the ability to stick in there and go for [it].
Q: Anything you would change leading up to this moment?
Gay: I wouldn't change anything.
Q: You have the chance to be the best player coming out of this draft. What do you have to offer an NBA team?
Gay: Personally, I think -- a lot people think of a great player they think offensively -- but defensively I can be a stopper. I think I can bring a lot to a team personally, just as a person who loves the game. I think that means a lot.
Q: What did you try to showcase in your workouts?
Gay: Just that I can do a lot of things ... [inaudible] ... being around a lot of great players like Marcus Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Denham Brown ... also just going out there and handling the ball and showing that I love the game.
Q: Where were some of the places you played as a kid?
Gay: I played at Cecil Kurk Recreation Center. I just went all around, I moved around so much ... I used to hang with my cousins, so wherever a good run was, I would go ... After playing with AAU, you don't really want to go outside.
Q: With all UConn players expected to go high in the draft, have you ever thought of the possibilities of going back and competing for a national championship?
Gay: I think there have been times where I've thought about what happened and stuff like that. No matter how much you want to you can't replay that game ... but it was there night.
Q: Tell us how excited you are to be here.
Morrison: Itís pretty exciting, the dreamís coming true. Itís finally coming together, so tomorrow weíll find out.
Q: How about the thought that everything is going to change tomorrow night?
Morrison: Like I said, itís been a long-time dream and Iím very excited for it. Life is going to change, but itís going to change for the better.
Q: What do you say when people compare you to Larry Bird?
Morrison: I say that he won three straight MVPís and he was an NBA champion and Iím just a college kid, so I appreciate, but itís a little overdone I think.
Q: How long is the Ďstache going to last?
Morrison: [Laughter] I donít know.
Q: Youíve been seen at Lakers games, are you a big Lakers fan?
Morrison: Yeah, very much. Kobe, and obviously Ronny Turiaf is one of my former teammates Ė he plays there. So, itís fun to go to Lakers games and L.A. is great and itís fun to go.
Q: What players did you idolize growing up?
Morrison: Probably Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan obviously. I think every kid in America idolized Jordan as a basketball player so those are probably the two guys I watched the most.
Q: What teams would fit into your style particularly well?
Morrison: Iím not quite sure. I mean, Iím trying to fit to into their style, not them fit to my style. I think wherever I go I am just going to adapt to what they want me to do and how they want me to do it.
Q: Do you feel you can make an impact right away with the team?
Morrison: Yeah, if I didnít I wouldnít be entering this Draft, I would have gone to my senior season. So, yeah I feel like I can get it done at the next level.
Q: You and J.J. Redick have been linked cross country. Talk about what you guys talked about when you hung out together in L.A. a couple of weeks back.
Morrison: Just the whole process and the workouts and stuff. Just chilling and hanging out and kind of exhausting all the frustration that there is with this process, but also the good stuff that comes with it. Like I said before life is changed a little bit now for all of us, its for the better Ė so just talking about that stuff.
Q: How does it feel to know you might be the first center off the board?
OíBryant: That feels really good. Iíve worked hard to get to this point, and it would be great to be one of the first ones to go.
Q: Are there any indications of where you might be going?
OíBryant: None at all Ė itís really all up in the air right now.
Q: Who would you say is most responsible for encouraging and getting you to the level you are at now?
OíBryant: I think I would have to go with my mom. She has always been there for me Ė and one of the only people who has been there since the beginning.
Q: Are there any players youíre really looking forward to playing against?
OíBryant: Just for the experience to play against Shaq Ė such a great player, one of the best ever, it will be an honor to play with him. And then Kevin Garnett and all of the other greats in the NBA, theyíre just going to be fun to play with.
Q: What do you feel youíve improved on since your (college) season ended?
OíBryant: Probably my footwork. Iíve been kind of shocking myself with a lot of it, some of the stuff Iíve been pulling out in my workouts. On the wing, and some of my outside game. Iím even kind of surprising myself with it.
Q: What have teams tried to work on with you?
OíBryant: Probably my low-post game. From 15-foot, spot-up shooting type stuff to other stuff in the low-post.
Q: What are you looking forward to buying with your first contract?
OíBryant: Pretty much anything Iíve ever wanted. (Laughs).
Q: What style of play would you like to step into?
Redick: Well, I think for a guy like me, probably everybody, would say Phoenix and the style of play that they have right now. But not everyone plays that style. I really would just be happy where I would have a chance to compete for playing time right away.
Q: What do you say when people say youíre too small for the NBA?
Redick: Well, I think people say a lot of things, not just about me but about everybody. Iím 6-4 with my shoes off. I donít think thatís too small. Iím not Dana Barros out there playing the two.
Q: So you would be a two in the NBA, not a one?
Redick: If a team wants to make me a one, I wouldnít be opposed to trying that Ė but Iím a two-guard.
Q: Could you play the three as well?
Redick: I can play the two better. Itís what Iíve been playing since I was about 14.
Q: Do you remember growing up, people saying ďyou canít do thisĒ or ďyou canít do thatĒ Ė do you remember the first time that happened to you?
Redick: Yeah, itís happened to me my whole life. In fact, Iíve realized there are always going to be doubters. Be it my size, or my quickness or my skin color, whatever it is that drives people to doubt me. Iíve overcome it my whole life. People told me I wasnít going to play when I was in high school as a freshman. People told me I wasnít going to get any playing time at Duke, that I was crazy for going to a school like that with so many good players because I wasnít going to play. And that turned out alright.
Q: With the Northwest rivalry do you want to go higher than Adam Morrison?
Roy: I think more than anything I want to get in a good situation for myself. As Iím going through this process, Iím learning that the situation is probably better and going as high as you can. You want to come in and play right away. Everybody that Iíve been involved with at the NBA says after a year or two you donít remember where guys are drafted you just remember how they played in their first two seasons. I just want to get in a position that I can play well. Iím happy for everyone here and I hope they all get in the best situation possible.
Q: You put in four years of college. How was the education part?
Roy: I think college was the best thing for me because I got the chance to develop into a complete player. The thing college does is it teaches you discipline. You have to mature at the college level especially with a coach like coach [Lorenzo] Romar. He forces us to handle our school work and be just as good on the court. I think itís matured me and given me a lit of discipline.
Q: What is the game plan after your career is over?
Roy: I think to have an education is great. I know for myself I definitely want to stay around basketball whether itís broadcasting or coaching. Staying in the game is something that Iíll want to do in the future.
Q: How many times did you run into [Adam] Morrison in June?
Roy: We worked out once for the Portland Trailblazers. We see each other all over traveling, but we only got the chance to work out together once.
Q: How was it sharing a workout with him?
Roy: It was weird because Rudy Gay was there and the anticipation was kind of high. It was the first workout that all three of us were in so everybody was pretty excited about it. Guys were trying to force and impress, but once everyone settled down I thought it was a good workout. I actually hope that maybe we can get one more together just because it was such a fun workout and I thought it was competitive.
Q: What kind of player can you be at the next level?
Roy: I think I can be a versatile player, a combo guard. I think I can play the one and the two. Some people say they want to see me play more one and some people say they want to see me focus more at the two guard position, but I think I can definitely be a combo guard. I think I can play the two guard position as equally as the one. Thatís something I want to develop more, playing more point guard.
Q: What past NBA player do you consider your game most similar to?
Roy: Thatís the hardest question Iíve had to answer in interviews. I think I do a lot of things like a lot of different guys. Thatís what I try to do. I study the NBA games and if I see a guy playing a certain way I try to take it to the gym and work on what he did. I think Kobe Bryant has great footwork and I try to pay attention to the things he does when he gets into the lane. I think Tracey McGrady, I love his pace and people say we play the same tempo. He looks calm and heís always relaxed.
Q: Whatís the last few days been like for you?
Simmons: Workouts here and there. Been times when I get nervous, times when I sit in my room and think about being at the next level. Feel like Iím living a dream.
Q: What can you offer an NBA team?
Simmons: Shot blocking, athleticism, I can run the floor well. Iím still a little raw offensively, but I can shoot the jumper facing up.
Q: There have been questions of your offense. What have you done to this point to improve offensively? What can we expect in the future?
Simmons: Iím doing a lot of shooting; Iíve done a lot of ball handling. In the future you can expect me to get better each year doing different things. I want to kind of improve like Elton Brand has in his NBA career.
Q: Has anybody been able to give you advice on what to expect at the next level?
Simmons: Yeah, I talked to Coach [Herb] Sendek, talked to Julius Hodge, who is a former teammate of mine, and Coach [Sidney Lowe]. And they all kind of told me the same thing, that it is a big adjustment and a lot is going to change in the next day. So I just got to take it one day at a time and not spend my money too fast, just take care of my money.
Q: With Draft day here, how do you feel?
Simmons: I mean it feels good. I started at the bottom and came up to the top and now Iím invited to the green room. Whoever thought I would be invited to the green room when I first went in without an agent, so I mean it is just a dream come true.
Q: Talk about the day when you were invited to the Green Room, how did you feel? Do you think it vindicated you?
Simmons: Yeah, it kind of let me know where I was in the Draft. I had my doubts, I kind of thought a lot of these guys were better than me, and all that, they had more pub than me. Once I found out I was invited to the Green Room I was just excited. Every time I dreamed about going to the NBA thatís where I dreamed about me getting my name called.
Q: What is your mindset entering the NBA?
Thomas: If I go to a great team and I don't perform, I'm not going to play, I'm not going to last long. If I go to a bad team, I'm not going to last long. So if I just go in and work and do what I have to do, I'm going to be alright and the team will be alright.
Q: What has been the most surprising part of the workouts with these teams?
Thomas: It wasn't unexpected. I know you have to work and show what you're capable of doing.
Q: So nothing surprised you?
Thomas: No, not really.
Q: How conscious are you of what you're going to be wearing tomorrow?
Thomas: I want to make sure I look good because Charles Barkley's a hard man and he'll talk about you in a minute. So you just have to make sure you look good; look good for the public eye.
Q: What are you going to be wearing?
Thomas: I'm not telling. It's classified.
Q: How do you think you'll feel after tomorrow night?
Thomas: Relieved, just relieved and blessed. It's like getting that paycheck. I know after tomorrow night, my paycheck is on the way. It's just like all your hard work and you're going to see some results.
Q: What strengths will you bring to an NBA team?
Thomas: They know what I'm going to do. I'm going to bring excitement and energy to the team. I'm going to bring hard work. They know what I'm going to bring.
Q: Do you think you'll have an impact right away?
Thomas: I'm going to do what I have to do to help my team succeed, so if that means being a great practice player for a year or half a year or however long, whatever it is to help my team get better, that's what I'm willing to do.
Q: When did you start thinking about being drafted into the NBA?
Williams: High school. Probably the end of high school.
Q: Did you watch the NBA Draft on television?
Williams: I watched it Benís [Gordon] year. And I watched it until Charlie [Villanueva] got picked.
Q: How much do you read of the mock drafts?
Williams: None. None at all. The past couple of years Iíve seen Ben going in the teens and Iíve seen Charlie going like 25th and they ended up going three and seven.
Q: Who did you work out for?
Williams: Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, Houston and Minnesota.
Q: Any teams twice?
Williams: Boston and Toronto.
Q: From your workouts did you get any indication as to who you think is really interested?
Williams: Everyone kind of gives you the poker face. Iíve heard the same line seven times; they really kind of give you no feedback I guess.
Q: Of the teams you mentioned before, which do you think would be a good fit for you?
Williams: I looked at a couple of rosters, and Iíve seen Toronto, Iíve seen Atlanta, Iíve seen Boston with me stepping right in and contributing.
Q: Anything in particular teams wanted to see from you in their workouts?
Williams: The workouts when I went back twice, it was more situational like 2-on-2, pick and rolls, down screens. Then they just let you play to see if you can play the game of basketball, see how creative you are.
Q: You are going to be one of the first guards taken. Rudy [Gay] is going to be one of the first forwards taken and Hilton [Armstrong] is going to be one of the first centers taken. How did you not win a national championship?
Williams: During the tournament we were living life on the edge. It was a close game the first game, second game, third game, fourth game. I think a lot of egos may have clashed, not to say publicly, like we were arguing out loud. I mean there were a lot of egos; you got six guys who can score 20 points on any given night. And right at that time is when agents come, and the NBA talk, and some people get more publicity than others. So I donít think we were as focused as we should have been, as we were during the season.
Q: Where do you think the rumor came from that you were going to Atlanta?
Williams: I donít know. There have been rumors that have me going to Seattle, Utah, New Orleans/Oklahoma City and Atlanta. I donít pay attention to that until my name is called on Wednesday.
Q: Can you come up with some reasons why teams would be making a mistake passing on J.J. Redick?
Williams: It depends on the system you have. Heís going to be a player that can stretch out a defense and be a great shooter. Heís the closest thing youíll find in terms of a pure shooter, and if thatís what a team is looking for, heís at the top. I knew from Day One how well he could shoot the ball. When we got to Duke, we played a lot of pick up games together, and I saw first hand what he could do, so I never questioned it, and he delivered every night for us.
Q: What was is like playing for Coach K?
Williams: It was a great experience. Heís a Hall of Fame coach. Heís straight forward and honest with you from Day 1. A lot of people try to sugar coat stuff, but no matter what the situation is, he wonít sugar coat anything. He shoots straight from the hip, and I really appreciated that about him.
Q: Is there one person responsible for helping you get to this level?
Williams: My parents. My Dad, heís the one that worked with me and my younger brother. Basketball was the last sport I started to play. He didnít want me following in his footsteps; he was a basketball player. Heís the main reason I developed the work ethic I have.
Q: Is there any player youíre looking forward to going up against?
Williams: Not really. Just being in the league will be a great feeling for me.
Q: Was there a particular team you felt most comfortable working out for?
Williams: No. I just went out there and tried to do the things that I do. People who have seen me play for four years, they know what to expect. What I showed in workouts is what Iíve showed for four years.